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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/9/2006 8:08:40 PM   
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i wouldn't turn them down, i just don't think paying cash for them is feasible.
Not feasible is one thing, not worthy or judging it indecent is entirely another. There's no reason you can't be valuable in other ways; everyone serves the best way they can/know how, money or no money. M

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/9/2006 8:09:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		This topic has been in and out of My thoughts for a good part of the evening. Yes it's a slow night. What really pisses Me off about some of the comments on the thread is that if this was a vanilla relationship there would be no problem with buying the female in question a gift. So why is it a problem if the woman in question is a Domme you are interested in? Just curious.

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/9/2006 9:02:15 PM   
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This topic has been in and out of My thoughts for a good part of the evening. Yes it's a slow night. What really pisses Me off about some of the comments on the thread is that if this was a vanilla relationship there would be no problem with buying the female in question a gift. So why is it a problem if the woman in question is a Domme you are interested in? Just curious.


I think that goes back to generosity of spirit.



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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/10/2006 6:00:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MsCece2u

This topic has been in and out of My thoughts for a good part of the evening. Yes it's a slow night. What really pisses Me off about some of the comments on the thread is that if this was a vanilla relationship there would be no problem with buying the female in question a gift. So why is it a problem if the woman in question is a Domme you are interested in? Just curious.


Throughout history, males of the species have offered tributes to females of the species in order to gain their favors, their hand in marriage, or to give them pleasure. They've written poetry and songs, offered them the choicest tidbits from their trenchers, won them teddy bears at the carnival, and made jewelers very wealthy. We have holidays that are specifically for the purpose of men giving women gifts, such as Valentine's Day and Sweetest Day.

Asking for gifts or 'tribute' is the same in any world-it's crass, greedy and materialistic. But that doesn't make the woman doing so a hooker. Any more than a woman giving gifts to the sub male in her life makes him a gigolo.



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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/10/2006 1:35:53 PM   
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Throughout history, males of the species have offered tributes to females of the species in order to gain their favors, their hand in marriage, or to give them pleasure. They've written poetry and songs, offered them the choicest tidbits from their trenchers, won them teddy bears at the carnival, and made jewelers very wealthy

Asking for gifts or 'tribute' is the same in any world-it's crass, greedy and materialistic. But that doesn't make the woman doing so a hooker. Any more than a woman giving gifts to the sub male in her life makes him a gigolo.
I agree completely, and told someone as much when he said "I didn't offer you anything because you didn't ask or show special interest in anything." To which I said, if I have to ask, I'll buy it myself, since no woman should insinuate herself into your wallet without you first offering it's available for her use. M

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/11/2006 8:59:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		The only reason that male subs arent 'allowed' to dislike People who want their money is because there are so few Dommes hence judgements that are passed on male subs are down to their lack of political affordability. Not anything else like right or wrong.



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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/11/2006 1:04:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		All this talk of subs buying tribute gifts for Dominant women got me thinking of some of the up-front costs of a new boy...they can really add up...and I don't see any of the ladies complaining...

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/11/2006 2:12:33 PM   
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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/11/2006 5:45:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		All a matter of point of view actually, looked at from a certain angle, traditional marriage could be construed as longterm prostitution.
If tribute makes you feel wrong, then don't accept it.

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/11/2006 5:58:47 PM   
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All a matter of point of view actually, looked at from a certain angle, traditional marriage could be construed as longterm prostitution
Now that's just wrong!
Marriage is what makes taking all of a man's money not prostitution, and so guys figure they can get the dominant for free as long as they say how bad a woman is who accepts money or gifts from a guy she's doing, in exchange for fun, make her feel too guilty/dirty to accept anything, because free is the only honorable way to deliver service that is sexually stimulating in any way. M

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/12/2006 5:36:58 AM   
MysticalPhoenix


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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

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All a matter of point of view actually, looked at from a certain angle, traditional marriage could be construed as longterm prostitution
Now that's just wrong!
Marriage is what makes taking all of a man's money not prostitution


Ironically, Marriage = long term prostitution is a traditional feminist viewpoint, slavery is also occasionally thrown around (I was raised by a rather hardline feminist at the height of the fight for the ERA amendment).

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

and so guys figure they can get the dominant for free as long as they say how bad a woman is who accepts money or gifts from a guy she's doing, in exchange for fun, make her feel too guilty/dirty to accept anything, because free is the only honorable way to deliver service that is sexually stimulating in any way. M


Guys like getting sex for free (something for nothing). This is why vanilla guys looking to pick up women in bars and clubs for casual sex but don't want to have to buy her a drink or even ask her to dance, wait until the women are drunk before approaching them. My former housemates were experts at this technique. What's really sad is that so many of the vanilla women are playing what I call 'boyfriend roulette'. Although most of the pickups are one-nighters, sometimes they'll end up with a boyfriend in the morning. Rarely, very rarely, do those relationships last (they usually end up being f**ked and ch**ked). What is given freely or cheaply bought has little or no value.

Personally, I think vanilla guys should seek out and pay (either with cash or 'tribute' gifts') professionals or semi-pros for casual sex, as they used to have to do before the "sexual revolution". And if a man is looking for casual bdsm activity, he should also seek out an pay a professional or offer tribute gifts to a semi-pro.

But that's only my opinionated opinion. I don't engage in casual encounters of either the vanilla or the bdsm type. I learned that neither does anything for me, it just gets the guy's rocks off.

Phoenix



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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/12/2006 6:14:40 AM   
BeeQueen


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Status: offline 		weeee..hehehe so true MysticalPhoenix

the part about marriage...hilerious....hehe
i usually get odd looks if i mention it here, since all the femals like to beelieve they r so free (which they r in fact not after marrige, and most play along with their chains).

if a guy is not willing to invest time and fantasie (im not talking about money yet) to get to a woman, than he should get a pro hooker

if a sub/slave is not willing to show interesst and fantasie and invest time to meet a dominant woman, than he should go to a pro domme.

im not willing to waste my time with guyz that send me in their first letter all their likes and dislikes, and not even tell me what age they are, or what area.

and seriously....if any guy complains about having to buy toys he wants used on himselfe - out u go. i dont have the money to buy every month a new toyset, couse i got an occational playpartner. and i dont want to buy a new bullwhip for every guy that wants a whipping. so if they wanna play with toyz , i expect them to buy some (would bee great if they listen to my advice what to buy too). but i m far from beeing a pro or a semipro domme.
i enjoy playing with diff ppl, i dont ask for gifts or money, but if we go out before or after the session i do well expect to bee spoiled for the efford im puttin in to meet his fantasie and make the time spent together pleasent for both
Bee

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/12/2006 11:14:19 AM   
MysticalPhoenix


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and seriously....if any guy complains about having to buy toys he wants used on himselfe - out u go. i dont have the money to buy every month a new toyset, couse i got an occational playpartner. and i dont want to buy a new bullwhip for every guy that wants a whipping. so if they wanna play with toyz , i expect them to buy some (would bee great if they listen to my advice what to buy too).



Whenever I have played with subs who weren't my collared boys, they've brought their own toys in their toybag over to play. Some toys from my collection were used on them-usually varnished paddles and the like, things that could be cleaned properly afterwards. I think that's better than using someone else's toys. It's safer for the sub, they know who the toys have been used on. Especially-butt toys and toys that draw blood-they are best limited to one user.

And when the sub carrying his toybag from play partner to play partner is finally collared and in a long-term relationship with the Dominant of his dreams, he brings a dowry in the form of his collection of favorite toys.



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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/12/2006 1:31:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
Women who accept money to dominate are not dominant b/c they are being topped from the bottom. The controlling element here is the money from the sub (or client) going to the PRO DOM. Put another way, whoever pays the piper calls the tune. I don't think PRO DOMS are hookers, but, they are making money by enabling a client to achieve his or her own sexual/sensual fantasy. Clearly this is very close to what hookers do.
--cloudboy


Such generalizations are dangerous. Thinking you are in control of a Pro simply because you are paying is the swiftest way to get her boot up your ass.

Edited to say: (and not in a good way). ;)

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/12/2006 4:05:30 PM   
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Technically speaking, asking money in exchange for sexual services is prostitution.

That is to say then every single woman, married in a straight or gay relationship is a hooker? "Hunny, I need money for bills, food and gas for the car. 'Sure thing babe, lets fuck so you have earned it?" Hardly - In My understanding the ProDomme is not dishing out sex, in the normal, you on top, me on bottom situation. She is filling a fantasy, a desire that can not be garnered in the everyday relationship. Better yet that may be the sub/masochists desire. To keep it less personal. Prostitution is a very broad word. I know that I personally will work My ass off at My Nana's house so she will cook for Me. Does that make Me a Prostitute? Its one service exchanged for another?

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/12/2006 4:07:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		a gift is one thing.......but $500 for an hour?

i never spent THAT much in a weekend........on a vanilla woman.

THAT's the DIFFERENCE...in MY eyes.


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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/12/2006 4:51:58 PM   
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Ironically, Marriage = long term prostitution is a traditional feminist viewpoint, slavery is also occasionally thrown around (I was raised by a rather hardline feminist at the height of the fight for the ERA amendment).
Boy the traditional feminists are tough broads, especially on the poor married women.
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amayos
Such generalizations are dangerous. Thinking you are in control of a Pro simply because you are paying is the swiftest way to get her boot up your ass
Very wise advice! M

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/13/2006 8:53:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SexySwitch42

I don't see any men asking for money from women on this site. How many women would pay a man? I myself wouldn't pay a woman for a "session" but I guess it depends on what your looking for. It would be nice if the pro-dommes would advertise in a different place. Actually I believe the rules of this website say that no one should be asking for money, so why do so many females get away with asking for money at this website? Obviously no oversight. My point is that I think collarme.com is advertised as a personals site, not a pay for "whatever" site. I think most men are looking for physical contact or sex.


Those are the ones most pro dommes will turn down......

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/13/2006 9:06:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MysticalPhoenix


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ORIGINAL: BeeQueen


and seriously....if any guy complains about having to buy toys he wants used on himselfe - out u go. i dont have the money to buy every month a new toyset, couse i got an occational playpartner. and i dont want to buy a new bullwhip for every guy that wants a whipping. so if they wanna play with toyz , i expect them to buy some (would bee great if they listen to my advice what to buy too).



Whenever I have played with subs who weren't my collared boys, they've brought their own toys in their toybag over to play. Some toys from my collection were used on them-usually varnished paddles and the like, things that could be cleaned properly afterwards. I think that's better than using someone else's toys. It's safer for the sub, they know who the toys have been used on. Especially-butt toys and toys that draw blood-they are best limited to one user.

And when the sub carrying his toybag from play partner to play partner is finally collared and in a long-term relationship with the Dominant of his dreams, he brings a dowry in the form of his collection of favorite toys.




In some ways I am similar, and some ways different..I have certain items like MysticalPhoenix that are safe for use on others. If a boy desires an insertable, or anything else healthwise that should remain his alone, and it is something I consent to occur, he is expected to put a gift certificate on stockroom.com.....this amount is for his benefit, but I PICK THE ITEMS, smiles, which takes care of Bee Queen's situation, as I am the one deciding the activities of the session. They are welcome to take the item with them after the session, or if there are repeat sessions, as time goes on, I keep their "items" separate from other clients, if they wish for the item to remain in my possession.

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RE: Does tribute equal being a hooker? - 1/13/2006 11:35:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		As far as women who expect the man to make more of a financial contribution to a relationship is concerned:

Its too bad that some women use the reason that they are 'women' in order to make the situation different from that of when I enjoy the pleasure of my freinds company simply because they are actually my freinds hence dont feel as though I should be giving them anymore in material terms than they are giving me, except in extenuating circumstances such as if they where living in poverty or needed a favour from a mate.
Even rich people with Ferraris are very selective of who they choose as freinds for similar reasons as they want 'real' freinds.

Granted that whoever has to stay at home and look after the kids etc is contributing as much as the other who is working whether that be the man or the woman.

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