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I've been reading Elise Sutton's articles concerning her theories on female supremacy, and why she believes it represents the natural order.
From what I can determine from communities such as collarme.com, however, there appear to be as many, if not more, submissive females as dominant ones out there. I don't find Ms. Sutton's explanation of submissive females as anomalies/ anachronisms particularly persuasive.
What's your take on this topic?
A site like Elise Sutton's exists more for entertainment purposes than anything else. It dresses up its kink with a philisophical paradigm of Female Supremacy, which although untrue, is sexy and alluring to its target audience. Elise Sutton is laughable to those in the mainstream. She's an example of a little world or maybe even a secret society, but she is a far cry from anything universal.
And hoooooooooooo doggy, this thread spun off into feminism I see. I thought I'd share a section from THE BITCH IN THE HOUSE on this subject:
"Feminism doubled the woman’s workload (in the name of respect) and then turned around and killed the femme fatale. She became seen, somehow, as the dumbed down woman, a subspecies of our gender, so she got garroted and buried by women in business suits and scarf ties.
What was the problem with killing the seductress off? She’s the one who kept sex alive in the marriage. Sincerity, clarity, straightforwardness, compromise – these things are antithetical to Eros. Carnality snorts at these modern ideas of marriage --- and one way or another takes off in search for new quests. We respond sexually to the stranger, the unknown, the unfamiliar. The dirty urge has no interest in the known, the picked over, the fully examined. The femme fatale knows that it is not simply a question of acrobatics but a way of being, a way of conducting yourself, that fosters passion. I discovered her mystery and power with Mr. X; I learned to be creative, to find and explore and cultivate a place for myself. There was no obvious spot for that in my first marriage, because that ever-present, octopus-armed wife had hogged up all the space. In my second marriage, I knew that if I didn’t want to wind up drunk in front of the television again, I had to work to cultivate that other side – and I did. And I do.
The wife is about striving for some notion of perfection. The mistress is about games, invention, closeness. One is high and one is low. I was afraid of diving down there in my first marriage, which is part of what killed that marriage. Now I go there to keep my marriage alive."
CYNTHIA KLING, EROTICS 102, STAYING BAD - STAYING MARRIED
If I had to say what is the current state of feminism in America, I would say for most women its, "Feminism when it works." Hence when it doesn't work, women are hostile towards it. The downside of feminism for some women is the can't-win proposition it often presents mothers who feel they have to have a career and be a perfect mother too. Combine this choice with spoiled Americanism, aka I can have it all, and many women suffer psychologically with the choices they must make.
Creeds like feminism are somewhat helpful for groups, but creeds don't help a woman like herself and don't help her make peace with her own situation. This step has to come from inside each individual woman.
In the end, feminism has given women more latitude in their choices. For some, this makes them happier, for others, it just makes them miserable. Such is the way of life. The author above had to find her own way which was off the corporate wife track. She had to reach inside to create the self she liked best. No creed could do this for her, and her sense was to realize this and reach out for something more native to herself.
< Message edited by cloudboy -- 2/24/2006 6:36:02 PM >
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