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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/26/2006 10:09:43 AM   
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I personally would love to stand and pee and not have it run down My leg...lmao


This is the trouble with generalizations, there is always a nay-sayer about.

I can assure you that situations arise in which a man will pee down his leg.....
Now perhaps being a dom female you have not had to clean the toilet, but if you go looking around down there......piss waxes rampant in the immediate and not so immediate vicinity.


The alternative, conceptually speaking,

Ron

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/26/2006 10:14:37 AM   
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I personally would love to stand and pee and not have it run down My leg...lmao


This is the trouble with generalizations, there is always a nay-sayer about.

I can assure you that situations arise in which a man will pee down his leg.....
Now perhaps being a dom female you have not had to clean the toilet, but if you go looking around down there......piss waxes rampant in the immediate and not so immediate vicinity.


The alternative, conceptually speaking,

Ron



OMG LMMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/26/2006 10:44:17 AM   
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TY Ron.

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/26/2006 10:46:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66
I personally would love to stand and pee and not have it run down My leg...lmao


This is the trouble with generalizations, there is always a nay-sayer about.

I can assure you that situations arise in which a man will pee down his leg.....
Now perhaps being a dom female you have not had to clean the toilet, but if you go looking around down there......piss waxes rampant in the immediate and not so immediate vicinity.


The alternative, conceptually speaking,

Ron


sounds like a plug for those who trains their male sub to sit down to pee!

its unfortunate they dont come with sites!




< Message edited by Real0ne -- 2/26/2006 10:47:33 AM >

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/27/2006 1:56:23 AM   
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I personally would love to stand and pee and not have it run down My leg...lmao


I can assure you that situations arise in which a man will pee down his leg.....
Ron


yeh when you are on the lake fishing and you look around see no one then whip it out over th ebow of the boat only to be startled by voices of little kids and mom and dad coming out of the brush 30 feet from you.



i had to add that :)





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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/27/2006 10:32:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think of Elise Sutton as the Hitler of BDSM. An uncompromising idealogue who has "scientific" proof to back up her spurious assertions. Her site is filled to the gills with one sided testimonials (some clearly fabricated) creating a fog of propaganda that would make Leni Riefenstahl blush. Substitute men for Jews, 'households' for Poland, and gynarchy for the Final Solution, and there you have it - the Third Reich in a web page.

If you are considering believing her crappolla, I humbly suggest a crash course in critical thinking, before you fall victim to those persuasive Nigerians and their promises of money for nothing.

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/27/2006 10:36:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I once had this discussion long ago with folks who had long been part of the scene. One person explained it like this: "Since childbirth is a natural submissive act and women are the only ones who can give birth to a child, then women are naturally submissive." I've never gave birth to a child (I'm a male) so I can't speak from experience. Also, take the quote for what you think it's worth.

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/27/2006 10:39:53 AM   
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If you are considering believing her crappolla, I humbly suggest a crash course in critical thinking, before you fall victim to those persuasive Nigerians and their promises of money for nothing.

I agree whole heartedly.

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/27/2006 11:45:04 AM   
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i believe 100% that feminism is the reason Men today get the short end of the stick most of the time in court. As an example... a woman gets in her BMW and runs her husband over for cheating... not once but twice... claims it was an 'oops' i didn't mean to... she got slapped on the wrist for making an 'oops'. Now, reverse that... had it been a Man... He'd spend the rest of his life in prision... (just my opinion).


I'm assuming you are talking about Clara Harris. She ran over her cheating husband three times in her Mercedes-Benz in Houston, Texas. She was convicted and got 20 years.



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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/27/2006 3:37:38 PM   
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I think of Elise Sutton as the Hitler of BDSM. <snip>

If you are considering believing her crappolla, I humbly suggest a crash course in critical thinking, before you fall victim to those persuasive Nigerians and their promises of money for nothing.


Funny, I get the same reaction when I think about Gor... unsubstantiated crappolla and all that jazz. Yet somehow Gor gets accepted as a legitimate lifestyle but Fem Supremacy gets nothing but scorn.

Comes back to personal preference. And while I'd never bother to argue the point with a self professed Gorean, neither would I argue the point with a self professed believer in Fem Supremacy. Both have aspects of d/s|m/s and both lend themselves to BD/SM, but both can exist without the latter but not the former.

Do I believe Elise Sutton is right? Yes and no. She's right for some and wrong for others.

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/27/2006 3:40:22 PM   
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I once had this discussion long ago with folks who had long been part of the scene. One person explained it like this: "Since childbirth is a natural submissive act and women are the only ones who can give birth to a child, then women are naturally submissive." I've never gave birth to a child (I'm a male) so I can't speak from experience. Also, take the quote for what you think it's worth.


Funniest thing I've read all week! Thanks for the chuckle ;)

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/27/2006 4:21:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterOwnskitty
I once had this discussion long ago with folks who had long been part of the scene. One person explained it like this: "Since childbirth is a natural submissive act and women are the only ones who can give birth to a child, then women are naturally submissive." I've never gave birth to a child (I'm a male) so I can't speak from experience. Also, take the quote for what you think it's worth.


Funniest thing I've read all week! Thanks for the chuckle ;)


It just made me roll my eyes personally.

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/27/2006 4:36:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is about as valid as the Gorean view that all women are by their very nature slaves.

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/27/2006 5:31:19 PM   
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It is about as valid as the Gorean view that all women are by their very nature slaves.
Oh, can we just not go there? This thread was going so well.

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/27/2006 5:34:02 PM   
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i believe 100% that feminism is the reason Men today get the short end of the stick most of the time in court. As an example... a woman gets in her BMW and runs her husband over for cheating... not once but twice... claims it was an 'oops' i didn't mean to... she got slapped on the wrist for making an 'oops'. Now, reverse that... had it been a Man... He'd spend the rest of his life in prision... (just my opinion).


I'm assuming you are talking about Clara Harris. She ran over her cheating husband three times in her Mercedes-Benz in Houston, Texas. She was convicted and got 20 years.


yes and eligible for parole in 10 years for murder


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Andrea Dworkin - 2/27/2006 6:14:46 PM   
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When was that??? I know nothing about that. Tell us tell us all about it.

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BTW, the first feminist author I'm aware of that advocated universal castration for men was Andrea Dworkin. After being outed at a NYC club as a masochist with a master, she has since backed away from her original posit.


She was outed (or came out) when she was spotted at Eulenspiegel.

In recently years she backed away from her hardline positions, even denied having some positions she presumably advocated in the 1970s. I remember her web site (which has been grabbed by a squatter) came off considerably softer than she had once been.

She died in April of 2005.

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/28/2006 7:02:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: angelic

i believe 100% that feminism is the reason Men today get the short end of the stick most of the time in court. As an example... a woman gets in her BMW and runs her husband over for cheating... not once but twice... claims it was an 'oops' i didn't mean to... she got slapped on the wrist for making an 'oops'. Now, reverse that... had it been a Man... He'd spend the rest of his life in prision... (just my opinion).


I'm assuming you are talking about Clara Harris. She ran over her cheating husband three times in her Mercedes-Benz in Houston, Texas. She was convicted and got 20 years.


yes and eligible for parole in 10 years for murder



Twenty years is not a slap on the wrist ... it is the normal sentence for a first time offender in a violent crime of rage. In Texas, a man would have gotten the exact same sentence, for this exact same crime. She will probably not get paroled in 10 years ... very few violent offenders get parole in Texas, the first time eligible. If she does, it's because she participates in rehabilitation activities to better herself and other inmates. A man can do this just as well as a woman.

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/28/2006 8:03:37 AM   
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I don't find Ms. Sutton's explanation of submissive females as anomalies/ anachronisms particularly persuasive.



While I agree she does put a finger on many key points about the female psyche, I don't agree females who are submissive represent an anomaly. In my experience, dominant females who truly enjoy subjugating the male are rare. I have spoken with so many formerly dominant women who have expressed a sense of unhappiness and lack of fulfillment when inspiring males to be submissive to them. Likewise, I sense many men who claim to be submissive aren't being entirely honest about their nature.

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/28/2006 8:08:21 AM   
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While I agree she does put a finger on many key points about the female psyche, I don't agree females who are submissive represent an anomaly. In my experience, dominant females who truly enjoy subjugating the male are rare. I have spoken with so many formerly dominant women who have expressed a sense of unhappiness and lack of fulfillment when inspiring males to be submissive to them. Likewise, I sense many men who claim to be submissive aren't being entirely honest about their nature.


This post really doesn't work for me unless you are willing to name names.

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RE: Is Elise Sutton right? - 2/28/2006 8:15:14 AM   
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While I agree she does put a finger on many key points about the female psyche, I don't agree females who are submissive represent an anomaly. In my experience, dominant females who truly enjoy subjugating the male are rare. I have spoken with so many formerly dominant women who have expressed a sense of unhappiness and lack of fulfillment when inspiring males to be submissive to them. Likewise, I sense many men who claim to be submissive aren't being entirely honest about their nature.


This post really doesn't work for me unless you are willing to name names.


You skeptic.


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