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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 3:27:55 PM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

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Personally I admit to being biased and bigoted.. I hate baseball caps on backwards, rap and bebop music (I’d execute all rap artists if it were feasible and bury the noise for good, but that is just my personal opinion.
What can I say? I've always said I respect the KKK for at least having the courtesy to wear white sheets and state their position, and now you too have discredited yourself with that statement.
I wonder if hard rock/heavy metal, or people who won't sit and listen to what you need to spew in general get the same treatment or just the black artists. You may want to join bill bennet, he's calling for people like you, since he advocates killing black babies, and you adults. Fortunately death is not something I fear, and in the end I'm certain we all pay for our sins (of thoughts/deeds), as I have seen plenty of suffering by all people despite their skin hue or socioeconomic standing.

You have got serious issues old man, and it's no wonder you don't get respect from the youth, you don't deserve it since you don't respect anyone who isn't like you or indeed fawn over you like a needy puppy (gross)!

Pink has at least been graceful in explaining that she doesn't understand something, which at least leaves her open to learning. Now that I know you have nothing of value to say, the message boards will be shortened now that I will be skipping your Bullshit.

I have now been surprised twice on these boards in 2 days.. M



Seeing the amount of coloured friends I have and many love rap and all know my views on rap I'm hardly making a racist statement. besides we dont have the large black population here so again it doesn't add up that I'm being racist.... Bigoted/Biased against rap? hell yeah.... Understand this. I will not alter my mode of speach because some one in an other country who knows sweet FA about the social situation here and takes offence because I comment about the local scene gets offended. Wake up to the fact that the US is not the entire world. I've stated as have many people here that they would like (for example) to take out all the polititions and shoot them. Yet they are the same people who would physically defend them.. Dont expect me not to use idioms and speach modes because it upsets you. I make no appologies for what I write. You dont like my posts? good block them then you dont have to read them. We have nothing to say to each other anyway.


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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 3:57:01 PM   
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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 4:07:06 PM   
IronBear


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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 4:36:58 PM   
pinkpleasures


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Seeing the amount of coloured friends I have and many love rap and all know my views on rap I'm hardly making a racist statement. besides we dont have the large black population here so again it doesn't add up that I'm being racist.... Bigoted/Biased against rap? hell yeah.... Understand this. I will not alter my mode of speach because some one in an other country who knows sweet FA about the social situation here and takes offence because I comment about the local scene gets offended. Wake up to the fact that the US is not the entire world. I've stated as have many people here that they would like (for example) to take out all the polititions and shoot them. Yet they are the same people who would physically defend them.. Dont expect me not to use idioms and speach modes because it upsets you. I make no appologies for what I write. You dont like my posts? good block them then you dont have to read them. We have nothing to say to each other anyway.

IronBear


Mercnbeth recently posted a hatred of all lawyers, which made me yelp. i don't think He and His One really felt that all lawyers are scum...but it passed and i still enjoy their posts...i find Mercnbeth to be mostly wise and interesting...i'm not gonna allow one stray comment to inflame me.

i think, brightspot, you need to apply the same principle: if a remark seems out of character for a member, possibly inquire but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. i too have my complaints about young people today; those baggy pants on boys and young men drive me crazy and i really don't see how girls can be attracted to them...i fondly remember my own youth, when boys and young men wore their jeans so tight you tell what year the dime in their pocket was minted, LOL.

IronBear has shown Himself to be wise, accepting, reflective and kind. It is truely sad to see someone miss all that because they insist on misreading a comment He made in typical IronBear-ism.

pinkpleasures

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 4:41:26 PM   
ICGsteve


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Status: offline 		Thing is Ironbear, the author of the message is always under the obligation to attempt to put the message into a form that will be understood as meant by the ones intended to receive it. If you are purposefully not doing so then you are being unkind and disrespectfull towards others. Why would anyone put people in the position where they likely will not take the intended meaning? This would seem to be the definition of poor communication.

By the same token those who are aware that calling a person a slut, a slave, a master or whatever sometimes is taken badly yet use these terms with people they do not know at all are also unkind and disrespectfull of the person they are speaking with. I should think that some relationship with the listener or some agreement that the decorum of a particular setting allows use of such loaded identifiers on strangers should be the prerequisite for use of these terms.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 4:43:05 PM   
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Seeing the amount of coloured friends I have and many love rap and all know my views on rap I'm hardly making a racist statement. besides we dont have the large black population here so again it doesn't add up that I'm being racist....


I know a little bit about Australia. Having a few friends who were born and raised there. Still live there today. Having visited a few times myself.
It's indeed strange when they have to travel two hour's down the road to the nearest neighbor and they call that close. Of course it isn't that way everywhere in Australia but that is one custom I've never quite grasped. Here in the states they literally build houses on top of one another anymore. You're lucky to get 6 feet between them. Thankfully I have around 50 on each side of my house and two sides having dramatically more.

Anyway, he is correct they do not have the same amount of african americans in Australia.
Mostly, they don't like them. At least the people I know. Why, well I have to think on that one. I actually have had the conversation with a few people over the year's so I do have the answer at least within my friends.
It is kind of like the illegal alien issue we have here. Nobody wants them here because they are a drain on our society. Yet, what can you do?


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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 4:50:47 PM   
Foibey


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Status: offline 		I'm not supporting the allegations of racism in any way (I haven't looked through the thread closely enough to make any personal judgement myself), but having a bunch of black friends doesn't mean you're not racist in the same way that having friends who are women doesn't mean you're not sexist. It's a non-sequitur argument. I'll stop being pedantic now and shuffle off elsewhere.

Oh, one more piece of pedantry: I would have thought that the number of (non-tourist/ex-pat) African American's in Australia would be slim to none.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 4:54:19 PM   
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The fact that you cannot accept my apology and have hurled insults at me for the third time makes me feel you have a hiddden agenda to cause me distress.

pinkpleasures

pp, I am not opposed to your making an appology nor am I opposed to excepting it.
I do hope you have learned something about yourself and if what you said does really bother you, that you will look inside and work on that issue.
No I do not have a personal hidden agenda against you, like I said before, some of the things that you write I feel totally taken aback by and I feel I need to respond, period.

brightspot


O yes; the uproar i caused has made me aware of how easily misunderstood i can be when i choose my words without care to the sensibilities of others....i was seeking others' opinions and guidance and i do not think that came across at all...yet some people kindly gave it anyway...for which i am grateful.

i have also learnt that when dealing with "hot button" issues perhaps sometimes it's best not to ask here.

pinkpleasures

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 4:54:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lets try and keep focused on the OP and not get caught up like the other thread on racism.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 5:00:15 PM   
Foibey


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Status: offline 		WRT the OP: I think tolerating someone's serious limits its vital. I also think telling them to stick it if their requirements and your requirements don't meet in the middle is vital. And trying to work through limits which can be worked through is also good. I don't think it's one situation or the other.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 5:12:16 PM   
anopheles


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ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures

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Your comment that a Black man only attracted to White women is "creepy" implies bias. I hope that this is not your intention.

With kind regards,
Anopheles


Thank You for giving me the benefit of the doubt; This is a subject i should probably not have spoken about; simply put, it confuses me -- but it is not the first nor i am sure the last time i shall be confused. It appears i have just discovered another aspect of BDSM which kinda shocked me, but Gawd knows that's happened before.

i apologise to anyone who feels i did not deal with the topic with the sensitivity it deserved...i did try.

pinkpleasues



It was my assumption that you were trying to make a point, but the manner in which you worded it could have been, and was apparently by many including myself, misunderstood. It is indeed a subject that will be almost always be controversial, and will always invoke heated responses from any interested parties, but it's certainly as valid as any other topic that is discussed on CollarMe.


But I am curious, in the interest of furthering a meaningful discussion, what is it that confuses you? I'd be more than happy to have a discourse about the subject.

--Anopheles

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 5:13:02 PM   
pinkpleasures


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Editted to remove hurtful comment to Pink, given her apology and accepting responsibility for something she simply didn't understand/felt comfortable with.

M/BlkTallFullFig


Ma'am, i know You were under no obligation to write this, and i thank You for Your compassion and graciousness.

pinkpleasures

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 5:13:21 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		So to the mod, why not racism, it exists. Are we only here to talk about the running of the bulls in spain (oh that will piss somebody off) or maybe the slaughter of minks for pelts (by god they would be wearing yours given half a chance).

Every one rattles a saber now and then no?

Far as IronBear goes (and you ALL know I ain't no day at the fuckin' beach), I consider him an honorable and thoughful man.

Now, far as BlkTallFullFig goes I think she is snazzy and wished life would be different. But she is dominant too, gonna end up bad. But also a honorable and thoughtful woman.

So they are getting a little fiesty........they (I believe) will come to terms.

To BlkTallFullFig:

I don't care much for more than childish rap ala Fresh Prince.......

While I am all for off a pig for christ like them florida boys......
that ain't whats gonna be playin' when I am pulled over by the fuzz......
I hated swing as a child and threw 78 records like frizbees, now I collect them but if you made 78s without songs on them you could sell them by the millions, and it ain't even kinky.

For IronBear:

I knocked up a sheila on this site. Said that she enjoyed pegs immensely, in her profile. So I ask........she says I am an asshole an' wallaby coz I don't know pegs......turns out she meant clothespins but she was across the pond.........

As you imagined that pranged the bloody kite right off.

Ron

So, to everyone.....

consider the texture and flavor of your words......... they simply mean different things to each culture, and that is not always taken in account.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 5:15:04 PM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: ICGsteve

Thing is Ironbear, the author of the message is always under the obligation to attempt to put the message into a form that will be understood as meant by the ones intended to receive it. If you are purposefully not doing so then you are being unkind and disrespectfull towards others. Why would anyone put people in the position where they likely will not take the intended meaning? This would seem to be the definition of poor communication.



The point is Steve, I believe that for me to, by custom, be forced to post my comments in shall we say American common phraseology, you would be insulting both me as a person by denying me the freedom to use my normal and accustomed speech and insulting my nationality. (IMOP). This is something I would not tolerate and would walk away. What it would be doing in effect is saying that because the majority of members are in the US that it’s a case of US rules and other country’s people are second-class without the right of free flowing speech. Many of our customs are different. We all theoretically speak English but as I’m oft want to point out (often with tongue firmly placed in cheek) You guys speak American, I speak Australian and the Brits speak English. I don’t know how many times I’ve messaged various posters and asked in private for a reasoning for some statement or another. In 90% of the cases the point I was enquiring about was the use of local idioms or speech patterns. The simplest example I can give you, is that if an Aussie called me a silly bastard, I’d laugh because I’d know what he was about (its an affectionate term) if I called an American who I didn’t know a silly bastard he’d be trying to take my head off. If you were living where I live your hear my comments about Rap and Rappers echoed by a wide variety of people just as the same comment would be directed towards the opposing ARL team or the New South Wales Cricket Team or the South African Cricketers… All anyone had to do was to say “Oi You whatcha mean with that statement??” I could have resolved the matter easily. Still there are always those who have agendas and axes to grind and grab what opportunities to attack and I imagine drive those who they don’t like out.. That’s life all over it’s human nature.


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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

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Seeing the amount of coloured friends I have and many love rap and all know my views on rap I'm hardly making a racist statement. besides we dont have the large black population here so again it doesn't add up that I'm being racist....


Anyway, he is correct they do not have the same amount of african americans in Australia.
Mostly, they don't like them. At least the people I know. Why, well I have to think on that one. I actually have had the conversation with a few people over the year's so I do have the answer at least within my friends.
It is kind of like the illegal alien issue we have here. Nobody wants them here because they are a drain on our society. Yet, what can you do?



I see quite a few Afro Americans down the Gold Coast and these guys are tremendiously popular. We do have Afro Australians in a larger number though, mostly of Ethiopian descent I think and few people are upset by that. To be frank the only anti atmosphere I have personally encountered regarding coloured members of our society is when some silly damn fool es US Afro American starte the US is bigger and better than you second class people crap. That doesnt go down to well. Some one will usually have a word and help him get things sorted.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 5:20:15 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Well theres my poin, we crossed posts. He said it so aussie and I said it lamely but it comes to the same end. Thanks Iron Bear.

Ron

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 5:34:51 PM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		g'day Ron me ol' china. 'bout time we headed off to the rubberty and had a couple sties with dead horse follered by a few schooners and then get laid back till them shielers arrive so we can take them to the flicks and head to the park after after the wallopers are clear..

(All done with tongue firmly in cheek and in the spirit of furthering better understanding and tolerence between Aussies and Americans)

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 7:25:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe I do not understand the question but tolerance just means that you can live with it in the world. That does not mean you would jump into the fray.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 9:22:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		SYLLABICATION: rac·ism
PRONUNCIATION: rszm
NOUN: 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
OTHER FORMS: racist —ADJECTIVE & NOUN

To clear up the OBVIOUS misconception and misunderstandings, let's be very clear...According to the American Heritage Dictionary, as well as Merriam Webster, even that black master's desire for only a white slave was indeed racism.

Certainly everyone has *preferences* for what attracts them, however, the bottom line is that making that choice on ethnicity alone, REGARDLESS of the ethnicity of the person having the preference is indeed racism.

Perhaps y'all have heard of this really interesting historical figure....Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.? "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. "

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Wow!....I find this comment totally racist.


Your inability to see the master's racism speaks for itself.

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ORIGINAL: brightspot
I'm sorry but I am offended, and am offended for my friend BTFF. This is some of the most blatant racism I have see on these boards, and you call them sensibilities, how do you justify what you said as being sensible?
Owning these words as your's and your's alone does not lesson your disrepect. Owning those statement's gives us all a good look inside of what you are about, part being that you give not a second of a thought to writing words that speak and show blatant racism.


Own your own words. You are quite obviously quite upset at bigotry you have personally experienced or witnessed for your friends. Asking a question about how something makes sense is not racism.

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ORIGINAL: brightspot
I dated a defense lawyer for sometime and I do not understand how you could even represent in a court of law, holding the belief's you do, or did you only represent rich white people?


"Pillow talk" with your lawyer/lover does not in any way qualify you to make this statement. To be honest, if you learned anything from your lover, you should have learned the meaning of libel, especially since you could have potentially put yourself at risk for such a lawsuit by attempting to ruin the professional character of someone.

SYLLABICATION: big·ot·ry
PRONUNCIATION: bg-tr
NOUN: The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.

Something to think about for all.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 12:00:04 AM   
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So to the mod, why not racism, it exists. Are we only here to talk about the running of the bulls in spain (oh that will piss somebody off) or maybe the slaughter of minks for pelts (by god they would be wearing yours given half a chance).

Every one rattles a saber now and then no?
Indeed, why not racism. I actually thought the discussion was going well, minus the putting chest out, saying come and get me. It is heated, but why not a heated conversation? M

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/26/2005 12:09:18 AM   
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