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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 1:13:02 AM   
pinkpleasures


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I've got to say my jaw dropped when I read this part of the thread as well. My submissive is a black man. With the above reasoning I can only imagine the response as to understanding why a black man would wish to be submissive. Then again, some people have problems understanding why any Man with a capital M wishes to be submissive. The problem with the historical reference rationale is that it would effectively remove all African-Americans from the lifestyle. And I can't believe, or anyway don't want to believe that's your argument.

Misstoyou


Of Course i have no desire/want to experience BDSM (or any other area of my life) without the free and full participation of anyone who wishes to join...i suppose -- have been told -- know now -- that a Black Man does not view choosing to be a Master with any reference to the history of slavery in the US. So yes, i was wrong and i am very sorry; but it would have been nice to have a discourse in which i was helped to see the light without all the name calling.

pinkpleasures

< Message edited by pinkpleasures -- 10/25/2005 1:14:24 AM >

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 1:18:44 AM   
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But what she discussed "Creeping" her out, was just blatantly racist commentary and yes that does creep me out.

*Brightspot


Labeling speech or a speaker as "racist" is about as low as it gets. i may have spoken poorly, or been better off to ask Someone privately, but i did not speak from racism.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 1:20:01 AM   
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You don’t like my comments brightspot? Good I’ve just given you and your sycophants all the ammo to start shooting at me and leave pink alone, I have nothing to lose, I don’t give a flying fruit bat if I get sin binned for a day, a week, a month, a year or permanently banned. I WILL NOT stand by and allow you or anyone else attack some one for posting what you don’t want to hear.… in other words, You want some? Come get some!


Your comments don't affect me one way or the other.
And you will not control my voice with your ignorance and threating manner.
Yes, I am sure PP is quite appealing to you, she talks to you admiringly, calls you Sir, tells you how much she respects you, and would never have the courage to stand up to you even if you said or did something implorable.

Pp chooses her words and I have responded, you are wrong saying that I have something personal against her. I am not the only one responding to her racism, and gee why am I not surprised you are proud to express and own your bigotry and racism in her support?. Another thing, you say you "WILL NOT stand by or allow"
sorry ironbear, but you have no power over me or my words, you can choose not to stand by, sit, kneel, whatever, I could really care less!
Your ego is overbearing and quite unattractive, "come get some", not even interested in your bait...it smells rotten to me.

*Brightspot

< Message edited by brightspot -- 10/25/2005 1:21:44 AM >

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 1:35:43 AM   
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So now PP it is because you are confused, that I don't doubt, but I witnessed your racism not confusion. your appology seems moot to me .

*Brightspot


Yes, brightspot...i have been informed -- when people were not busy expressing their outrage that i had to ask -- that a need/want for a certain ethnicity in one's partner(s) is a common practice in BDSM and no one connects it to US history...so i know more now than i did before.

As for my apology; i would never in a million years make racist remarks...i apologised to everyone who expressed dismay/disgust/annoyance at what i posted.

The fact that you cannot accept my apology and have hurled insults at me for the third time makes me feel you have a hidden agenda to cause me distress.

pinkpleasures

< Message edited by pinkpleasures -- 10/25/2005 1:37:42 AM >

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 1:36:49 AM   
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In all fairness, i have spoken to a dear friend who feels i should never have posted what i did; and that such questions should instead be directed in private to my friends. i think He is correct...and i apologise for offending people. That was not my intention, but it obviously was the result.


pp hiding your racism and/or speaking about your racism with just close friends outside the boards does not make you any less racist, neither does confusion excuse it.
I believe it when you say it wasn't your intention to offend people, I truly believe you weren't even aware that what you were saying was racist, that is what makes it more distressing and offensive.

*Brightspot

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 1:44:40 AM   
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The fact that you cannot accept my apology and have hurled insults at me for the third time makes me feel you have a hiddden agenda to cause me distress.


pp, I am not opposed to your making an appology nor am I opposed to excepting it.
I do hope you have learned something about yourself and if what you said does really bother you, that you will look inside and work on that issue.
No I do not have a personal hidden agenda against you, like I said before, some of the things that you write I feel totally taken aback by and I feel I need to respond, period.

*Brightspot

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 1:48:35 AM   
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Your comments don't affect me one way or the other.
And you will not control my voice with your ignorance and threating manner.
Yes, I am sure PP is quite appealing to you, she talks to you admiringly, calls you Sir, tells you how much she respects you, and would never have the courage to stand up to you even if you said or did something implorable.

Pp chooses her words and I have responded, you are wrong saying that I have something personal against her. I am not the only one responding to her racism, and gee why am I not surprised you are proud to express and own your bigotry and racism in her support? . Another thing, you say you "WILL NOT stand by or allow"
sorry ironbear, but you have no power over me or my words, you can choose not to stand by, sit, kneel, whatever, I could really care less!
Your ego is overbearing and quite unattractive, "come get some", not even interested in your bait...it smells rotten to me.

*Brightspot


Lord Almighty, can we turn down the heat here a bit? IronBear is my friend, and naturally distressed to see me flamed -- especially your version -- and reacted like a Bear might. No matter how many times you say it, you cannot attach "bigot" to my person like "pin the needle on the donkey".

i have admitted it was a mistake to post what i did; that such information should have been sought privately, and i have apologised to all who were offended -- there's nothing left for me to do apart from refusing to accept the title of "bigot". i may have spoken badly but one post does not obliterate a lifetime of good.

pinkpleasures

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 2:23:16 AM   
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Pp chooses her words and I have responded, you are wrong saying that I have something personal against her. I am not the only one responding to her racism, and gee why am I not surprised you are proud to express and own your bigotry and racism in her support? . Another thing, you say you "WILL NOT stand by or allow"
sorry ironbear, but you have no power over me or my words, you can choose not to stand by, sit, kneel, whatever, I could really care less!
Your ego is overbearing and quite unattractive, "come get some", not even interested in your bait...it smells rotten to me.

*Brightspot


I might accept that if it weren't for your history of attacking her at a personal level instead of attacking the subject matter. I'll repeat what I said in another thread. Attack someone personally who I call a friend and you attack me. Perhaps a non Aussie may not fully understand my rational, and that is no disrespect to them. Its what friends /mates do where I come from.

As to my "ego" how totally wrong you are about that. I have standards, I have opinions (which can be changed when I see things diferently). I'm not here to make friends with all and sundry, some who see me for what I am, will as some have, wish to get to know me better and a friendship may well occur, There are others whom I can live with in harmony and there are those who at the best will have, in military parliance, "an armed truce". That is life generally. It is completely of no matter if you chose to like me, dislike or what ever you wish.

Treat me (and my friends) in a civil manner, and that is how you will be treated. If you find me offensive, as I have stated before in other threads, join the growing ranks of those who have me blocked.. However don't expect me to change because you don't like what I say or think. The only people who can command that sort of obedience of me do not visit CM or live in the US.

< Message edited by IronBear -- 10/25/2005 2:37:47 AM >

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 2:28:32 AM   
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In all fairness, i have spoken to a dear friend who feels i should never have posted what i did; and that such questions should instead be directed in private to my friends. i think He is correct...and i apologise for offending people. That was not my intention, but it obviously was the result.

pp hiding your racism and/or speaking about your racism with just close friends outside the boards does not make you any less racist, neither does confusion excuse it.
I believe it when you say it wasn't your intention to offend people, I truly believe you weren't even aware that what you were saying was racist, that is what makes it more distressing and offensive.

*Brightspot


i'll admit that people are correct in saying that if all the Black BDSM'ers had to reference US history before choosing what works for them, it would be ridiculously limiting -- a point i failed to see until it was pointed out to me.

i will admit that the original post was too incendiary for the boards and that the answers i sought should have been handled privately, from friends.

i once again apologise for my errors -- and am grateful to everyone who helped me understand this kink better. It was a bit hard to swallow all the criticism but i appreciate the information very much.

But whether through error or elsewise, i never intended to make racist remarks; instead i was taken aback by a situation and asked about it...and said it made me uncomfortable. i no longer feel that way, thanks to people who cared enough to explain.

This is my last word; i see no reason to continue this flame; if brightspot has anything further to say, i hope she'll take it to email. i'd give alot to know why she has such animosity for me.

pinkpleasures

< Message edited by pinkpleasures -- 10/25/2005 7:21:48 AM >

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 9:11:16 AM   
Phoenxx


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Status: offline 		Funny, and not in the comical sense of the word, that in a section title Tolerance and Understanding, we have flames all over.

Guess that does say a fair bit about how much of it some of us have.

pink has admitted she did not use the best of ways to ask her question. Rather then burning a cross outside her door, it might be best to take her word and see what happens.

Tony

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 9:26:47 AM   
JustaTop


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Status: offline 		Tolerance threads pretty much always degenerate into this sort of thing.

I often read them merely for the amusing "hypocrite magnet" content.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 9:36:26 AM   
ICGsteve


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Status: offline 		If a person does not want to play with a racist then they should choose not to. Racism has nothing to do with the kink, so I see no reason it should matter here. Thing is that while lurking over the last year I have noticed that the most powerfull voices here tend to be brutal in their efforts to define who can be a CM community member in good standing and who can not. There is good cause for having some loose definition of what CM and its members are all about, but personally abusing those who cross the line is bad form.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 9:53:53 AM   
JustaTop


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Status: offline 		Steve,people always try to enforce peer pressure-usually those who are in the middle of the curve.

But you really don't NEED to be a "cool kid" with a "good guy" badge to participate-no matter what the other self appointed cool kids may think.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 11:31:26 AM   
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Personally I admit to being biased and bigoted.. I hate baseball caps on backwards, rap and bebop music (I’d execute all rap artists if it were feasible and bury the noise for good, but that is just my personal opinion.
What can I say? I've always said I respect the KKK for at least having the courtesy to wear white sheets and state their position, and now you too have discredited yourself with that statement.
I wonder if hard rock/heavy metal, or people who won't sit and listen to what you need to spew in general get the same treatment or just the black artists. You may want to join bill bennet, he's calling for people like you, since he advocates killing black babies, and you adults. Fortunately death is not something I fear, and in the end I'm certain we all pay for our sins (of thoughts/deeds), as I have seen plenty of suffering by all people despite their skin hue or socioeconomic standing.

You have got serious issues old man, and it's no wonder you don't get respect from the youth, you don't deserve it since you don't respect anyone who isn't like you or indeed fawn over you like a needy puppy (gross)!

Pink has at least been graceful in explaining that she doesn't understand something, which at least leaves her open to learning. Now that I know you have nothing of value to say, the message boards will be shortened now that I will be skipping your Bullshit.

I have now been surprised twice on these boards in 2 days.. M

< Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 10/25/2005 11:50:53 AM >

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 11:53:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Uhm I too hate rap. And it has not one damn thing to do with race. It has to do with talent. And speaking of spreading hate, gangster rap that promotes killing cops is as sick as anything the KKK does. One is out of fear, hate and intolerance. The other is done for profit. To make a dollar. But some people take it to mean it’s the right thing to do.

Now I cannot speak for Iron Bear, but I read his words to mean the same thing I do when I say I hate rap. I never saw him say all black rap artists should be put to death. I saw all rap artists. There are a couple of white rappers out there. And I think they suck too. The only rapper I have ever liked was Will Smith. He is also a man I do respect. His actions with regards to his ex wife and their son have been nothing short of amazing.

By the same token, if someone wanted to I would chip in for the bullet for Eminem.
Ok that is really a poor joke, but I hope it makes my point. Now I could be wrong, but I think Iron Bear would agree with that?

Before you assume he meant it as a racist remark ASK. I asked pretty pink did she just mean black men or all men who have a history of being enslaved. I would also ask Iron Bear if he meant just black rappers or ALL rappers. And then jump. LOL…

One is racism. The other is just good taste ;-) And now my step son is going to be mad that I am slamming rap again. And no he won’t be reading this. That too was a joke.

Tony

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 11:55:00 AM   
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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 12:00:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

wow, i was going to post, but somehow i think maybe the dictionary needs to be brought in

I use the Merriam Webster site fyreredsub. Also to find out where a word comes from I use the Online Etymology Dictionary. It is amazing what you can learn.
Tony

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 12:19:40 PM   
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Uhm I too hate rap.
I don't love rap either; fell out of love with it when it stopped being about social commentary and more about hate (of everyone).
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And it has not one damn thing to do with race. It has to do with talent.
That is a crock, and completely subjective in that I hear a lot of noise made by a lot of talentless white people, but no one is saying they'd kill them (Britney spears, Kurt Cobain's widow), etc. I think heavy metal is useless noise despite actually liking some of it, but talent? Give me a huge break. Talent is required in order to be a successful rap/any type of artist; Rap it's just not something you value, but that doesn't make it any less worthy of merit to those who enjoy it.

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Now I cannot speak for Iron Bear, but I read his words to mean the same thing I do when I say I hate rap. I never saw him say all black rap artists should be put to death. I saw all rap artists. There are a couple of white rappers out there. And I think they suck too. The only rapper I have ever liked was Will Smith. He is also a man I do respect. His actions with regards to his ex wife and their son have been nothing short of amazing.
Ironbear said
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I admit to being biased and bigoted.. I hate baseball caps on backwards, rap and bebop music (I’d execute all rap artists if it were feasible and bury the noise for good
What part of that did you miss? How can anyone say it isn't about race if 99% of rap artists are black? Why didn't he say, I'd kill all the people who buy that music and put those artists out of business for good? Because that would have his children or children that look like his underground, a mistake he'd never make. Rap flourishes because there is a market for it.

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And speaking of spreading hate, gangster rap that promotes killing cops is as sick as anything the KKK does. One is out of fear, hate and intolerance. The other is done for profit. To make a dollar. But some people take it to mean it’s the right thing to do.
I don't buy Gangstah rap, your kids buy them. The reason your kids buy them, same reason parents haven't gotten along with teens in forever, rebellion.
As for being done to make a dollar, while it isn't my way of seeing things, getting rich begets one a significant amount of respect in these United States, and since some people will not get respect because of their looks or merit, they will buy it if they need to, and what is wrong with that?
If money is God, than why blame black/rap artists for capitalizing on that.

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By the same token, if someone wanted to I would chip in for the bullet for Eminem
You don't mean this because I know you've heard of white women being killed/maimed for loving black men, so what would be the big deal in killing one white to get rid of 99 black?

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One is racism. The other is just good taste ;-) And now my step son is going to be mad that I am slamming rap again. And no he won’t be reading this. That too was a joke.
I already suggested a different way he could have dealt with the rap issue if he's going to kill. As a matter of fact, killing rap artists won't achieve his goal because new ones would be born; so best thing would be to get rid of the market which supports and empowers rap artists, right?
I dislike a few different types of music, but would never say those artists are talentless, nor would I ever say, kill em all and bury the sound and superior attitudes. M

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 12:24:03 PM   
fyreredsub


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but
Tony can ya guess what I wanna look up?

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ORIGINAL: Phoenxx


quote:

ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

wow, i was going to post, but somehow i think maybe the dictionary needs to be brought in

I use the Merriam Webster site fyreredsub. Also to find out where a word comes from I use the Online Etymology Dictionary. It is amazing what you can learn.
Tony



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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 12:35:16 PM   
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What can I say? I've always said I respect the KKK for at least having the courtesy to wear white sheets and state their position, and now you too have discredited yourself with that statement.
I wonder if hard rock/heavy metal, or people who won't sit and listen to what you need to spew in general get the same treatment or just the black artists. You may want to join bill bennet, he's calling for people like you, since he advocates killing black babies, and you adults. Fortunately death is not something I fear, and in the end I'm certain we all pay for our sins (of thoughts/deeds), as I have seen plenty of suffering by all people despite their skin hue or socioeconomic standing.

You have got serious issues old man, and it's no wonder you don't get respect from the youth, you don't deserve it since you don't respect anyone who isn't like you or indeed fawn over you like a needy puppy (gross)!


I haven't read the majority of this thread. Just this last page. It appear's to have evolved into a fightfest just as I had expected when I saw the title a few day's ago. Primary reason why I stayed away.

Anyway, as far as rap goes. There are white rap artists....they just aren't very good. Very few can rise to the occassion. I'm not a rap lover myself but that is my personal preference. It is not about race..it is about shitty music in my opinion.

As far as the KKK goes, if you go back in history before the ignorants took over. The KKK was not a racist entity at all. They were the secret society of horse whisperers. You can read more about it here. Horse Whisperers
It eveolved quite rapidly when new membership took over to what you believe it to be today.
Race unfortunately will always be a hot spot to chat about. Some here, are clearly racist by their remarks. Some here who have claimed they are not, if you can read you can certainly read they are not what they are trying to portray here.



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