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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 7:46:17 PM   
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BlkTallFulFig; first of all, a Black Man seeking a slave creeps me out, but it's not my place to speak for anyone else. Add to that the racial requirement that His slave be white, and i am further creeped out.
Oh Pink, it's your attitude that is racist, not the black man who seeks a D/s relationship with someone whether she is black or white.
You really ought to add that info onto your profile, to save some other non-white poor bastard from creeping you out. For all your talk against bigotry, Milady needs to look in your heart and soul, because you sound like the people who say "I'm not racist, and fail to say as long as the n***** stay in their neighborhoods and away from relationships with my kids). M

P.S. Brightspot is very much correct that yours was a racist post in response to me, probably because you didn't think it through before typoing it.
In your response You are saying that in BDSM whites should stick to whites, blacks to blacks, etc; or that within wiitwd, blacks should never endeavor to play like the whites by saying they seek a relationship of total CONSENSUAL control over their partners' lives??????? M


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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 8:05:37 PM   
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I think the lack of understanding feeds the other.

People should really learn to pay more attention to what is said-rather than what they prefer was said.

JustaTop


i worked hard on my reply to brightspot, as You can imagine. i do not think i was unclear, but i will clarify any point You found vague.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 8:12:11 PM   
JustaTop


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Status: offline 		I wasn't speaking of you speficially.

There is a lot of needless bickering going on over purely trivial matters here.

I wonder at times why certain personalities in these forums feel the need to create so much silly drama.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 8:19:38 PM   
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My next point is that i find it creepy that a Black Man would be seeking only white women as a slave...just as it would if a white man were seeking only Black women, which i have no doubt goes on. i cannot understand the "kink" involved in needing a slave to be of a certain ethnicity.

Finally i said i knew i did not speak for anyone else, and that i made no comment to the Black Man who contacted me...because this area of BDSM leaves me confused; i did not condemn these people; i simply said it was very hard for me to understand and accept.


Oh boy.

Pink, I will not attempt to make you into a bad person, but perhaps merely misunderstood. In that light however, your wording of your point is somewhat offensive. There are people that have distinct preferences in who they choose to be with, and there are physical differences between different races of people. These differences are what define attraction.

For example, I am attracted to very fair skinned Caucasian women, and to dark skinned Black women. White women with tans, or very light-skinned African American women, although they may be very beautiful, simply do not invoke the same response to me that would make me say "WOW!", as woman that had the physical attibutes that I mentioned. My submissive is a beautiful, dark chocolate Black woman, but I have a good friend with whom I have been intimate with, who is a very fair skinned white woman. Their differences make them both uniquely interesting and attractive to me. There is nothing creepy about me liking the White woman.

There are lots of Black men that are only attracted to white women. There are Black men that are only attracted to Indian women, Middle Eastern women, Latino women, and vice versa for women. But none of those racial groups were mentioned in your post, only Blacks and white.

Your comment that a Black man only attracted to White women is "creepy" implies bias. I hope that this is not your intention.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 8:27:26 PM   
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Oh Pink, it's your attitude that is racist, not the black man who seeks a D/s relationship with someone whether she is black or white.
You really ought to add that info onto your profile, to save some other non-white poor bastard from creeping you out. For all your talk against bigotry, Milady needs to look in your heart and soul, because you sound like the people who say "I'm not racist, and fail to say as long as the n***** stay in their neighborhoods and away from relationships with my kids). M


I totally agree with this statement MsM.
I can't believe PP chose to completely ignore your post and answer one I think that allowed her to avoid the obvious.

Pink, I don't have a problem understanding what was written, it's there plain and simple.

I also have no desire to "attack" you, but sometimes the things that come out of your head and into type totally is unbelievable to me and I wish to express my amazement as we all wish to express ourselves on these boards.

It dosen't surprise me that you would focus on my response as opposed to addressing the racism permeating your post's. Making me out to be the "Bad Guy" is one of a defense attorney's little games, I hope most people see it for what it is.

Well MsM has replied to you...now what excuse do you have? I would love to see your response.

*Brightspot



< Message edited by brightspot -- 10/24/2005 8:33:09 PM >

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 9:04:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Doesn't Pink have the right to be creeped out by whatever she wants?

It's not like she asked to have people removed from the site.

Maybe some are just creeped out by what creeps Pink out.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 9:25:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		:) Pink can have any opinion she wishes....she is human....hehe i hope...just picking.Every sub/slave knows a type she wishes to bow down before...if thats not her type then hey thats not her type.....heck..i know some creepy white guys and i am white...does that make me racist?If someone isnt the type...be black,white,latin,pink,blue....what the heck ever...thats their preference......A sub/slave is ALWAYS given one right even with those whom believe a slave has no rights once collared.....and thats to whom she wants to wear the collar of....Blessed be....and Pink...do not worry about those with such neg remarks....to each their own!

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 9:33:28 PM   
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i think you have deliberating misunderstood me...my 1st point is that for a Black Man...a Man inheriting a century of racsism and slavery...to seek out a slave creeps me out. i cannot quite understand how He could do it, with the historical connotations it carries.

My next point is that i find it creepy that a Black Man would be seeking only white women as a slave...just as it would if a white man were seeking only Black women, which i have no doubt goes on. i cannot understand the "kink" involved in needing a slave to be of a certain ethnicity.


There are huge differences between the slavery that happened in the US before the civil war and is still happening now in other parts of the world and what we do within our lifestyles. It is why some people moved away from the term slave and started using submissive and bottom.
What we do is by consent between adults.
Also, there are white women that want black men. I know white guys that like yellow women… and so on.. yes I’m using colors and not being PC .. it’s intentional. Do those also creep you out pink?
I can understand what is upsetting some people here. It seems like you are saying that a black person should not be involved in this lifestyle. But why? If they are willing to let the past go, maybe it is time we all do? Or if they see the difference between then and now, isn’t that just proving that we are growing up as a society?
However, if you do feel that people who were enslaved should not be involved in BDSM … then you should look not only at your history but the world’s. Slavery has existed in most cultures. The Jewish people were slaves in Egypt and Rome. The Japanese had slaves. So did the American Indians.
Is it wrong that all of these people practice BDSM… And if you think the Scottish people were never enslaved…you should meet some of them that still can’t let go over what the British did to them…
If your fetish is for a certain type of person, be it based on skin... color or amount, hair and eye color (I have a weakness for redheads with green eyes… yummmmy) it’s their fetish. You don't have to understand it.
As long as your not advocating others being not allowed to have their choices based on YOUR feelings, then it sounds like a misunderstanding. If you do… then that’s racism in my opinion.
Let’s face it.. if you can have children with them… then genetically speaking you’re the same… deal with it
Tony

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 10:10:13 PM   
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Pink can have any opinion she wishes....she is human....hehe i hope...just picking.Every sub/slave knows a type she wishes to bow down before
No one said different. What we did say is that if while she is admonishing hatred and bigotry she is also creeped out by someone within lifestyle simply because he is black and Dominant.

I've never spoken against anyone's preference, and I have my own. So I just want you to understand that no one cares who Pink chooses to bow down before, as that is not what we're discussing.

Editted to remove hurtful comment to Pink, given her apology and accepting responsibility for something she simply didn't understand/felt comfortable with. M

< Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 10/25/2005 1:06:46 PM >

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 10:35:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures


i think you have deliberating misunderstood me...my 1st point is that for a Black Man...a Man inheriting a century of racsism and slavery...to seek out a slave creeps me out. i cannot quite understand how He could do it, with the historical connotations it carries...

pinkpleasures


I've got to say my jaw dropped when I read this part of the thread as well. My submissive is a black man. With the above reasoning I can only imagine the response as to understanding why a black man would wish to be submissive. Then again, some people have problems understanding why any Man with a capital M wishes to be submissive. The problem with the historical reference rationale is that it would effectively remove all African-Americans from the lifestyle. And I can't believe, or anyway don't want to believe that's your argument.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 10:38:31 PM   
JustaTop


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Status: offline 		The very fact that it is now seen as acceptable to have a partner not of your own race...is simply wonderful. I can't see how that is in any way racist.

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 11:11:10 PM   
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Doesn't Pink have the right to be creeped out by whatever she wants?

It's not like she asked to have people removed from the site.

Maybe some are just creeped out by what creeps Pink out.


Cetainly she has the right to be "Creeped Out" I can see her being and expressing herself being creeped out at a huge spider that walked across her key-board, or some strange person following her home every night.

But what she discussed "Creeping" her out, was just blatantly racist commentary and yes that does creep me out.

*Brightspot

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/24/2005 11:59:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Doesn't Pink have the right to be creeped out by whatever she wants?

It's not like she asked to have people removed from the site.

Maybe some are just creeped out by what creeps Pink out.


I think it's the way it was expressed, that an black man wanting to own a white woman and then how the almost how dare he have anything to do with THIS is what is creeping us out.
Of course that's my .075 cents worth... it's 2 cents Canadian .. what can I say ...
Tony

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 12:22:31 AM   
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Your comment that a Black man only attracted to White women is "creepy" implies bias. I hope that this is not your intention.

With kind regards,
Anopheles


Thank You for giving me the benefit of the doubt; This is a subject i should probably not have spoken about; simply put, it confuses me -- but it is not the first nor i am sure the last time i shall be confused. It appears i have just discovered another aspect of BDSM which kinda shocked me, but Gawd knows that's happened before.

i apologise to anyone who feels i did not deal with the topic with the sensitivity it deserved...i did try.

pinkpleasues

< Message edited by pinkpleasures -- 10/25/2005 2:14:21 AM >

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 12:31:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: brightspot

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Doesn't Pink have the right to be creeped out by whatever she wants?

It's not like she asked to have people removed from the site.

Maybe some are just creeped out by what creeps Pink out.


Cetainly she has the right to be "Creeped Out" I can see her being and expressing herself being creeped out at a huge spider that walked across her key-board, or some strange person following her home every night.

But what she discussed "Creeping" her out, was just blatantly racist commentary and yes that does creep me out.

*Brightspot



Brightspot, I have no idea why you are flogging this subject. If the truth be known there are probably a number5 of posts by various people, which you find either ugly or distasteful. I do not believe that you unwarranted attack on pink is caused by her offending your finely tuned sensibilities. No I am damned sure that you have an agenda of hatred of pink and this is just another excuse for you to fire off barrages at her. I have a long memory and an even longer list of posts you have made attacking her. No don’t bother asking me to support this.. People are big enough, old enough and ugly enough to make their own searches.

The fact is, pink’s posts probably weren’t the most thought out or wisest one to make. However she has the same right to post her views and opinions as do the rest of you. You all have the same right if a post annoys you to do as I did with a wanker who was attacking a couple of us, to block them so you are no longer offended. I’ll stand here and defend pink’s and anyone’s right to post as long as it isn’t attacking some one. Personally I admit to being biased and bigoted.. I hate baseball caps on backwards, rap and bebop music (I’d execute all rap artists if it were feasible and bury the noise for good, but that is just my personal opinion. I’m reasonable anti-youth The young punks who want to get in my face with their ’tude and bad manners are usually seconds from being probably hospitalised or worse. These things I detest, yet as I’ve stated before I have and know many good folk in this area who love the things I hate.. I simply limit my time with that aspect ….. I may tolerate it in friends but I never agreed to like it in my home. My bigotry is primarily towards the “street trash” typical of the Jerry Springer shows who are unfortunately emulated by the street trash here in Aussie…. I simply have little time for them. If they want to talk “street: to me and punctuate their in articulations by waving their hands in the air and “what ever” comments, They get told to talk in English and act human or get back up in the trees and I’ll treat them as a lower form of animal life….

You don’t like my comments brightspot? Good I’ve just given you and your sycophants all the ammo to start shooting at me and leave pink alone, I have nothing to lose, I don’t give a flying fruit bat if I get sin binned for a day, a week, a month, a year or permanently banned. I WILL NOT stand by and allow you or anyone else attack some one for posting what you don’t want to hear.… in other words, You want some? Come get some!

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 12:35:02 AM   
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BlkTallFulFig; first of all, a Black Man seeking a slave creeps me out, but it's not my place to speak for anyone else. Add to that the racial requirement that His slave be white, and i am further creeped out.Oh Pink, it's your attitude that is racist, not the black man who seeks a D/s relationship with someone whether she is black or white.
You really ought to add that info onto your profile, to save some other non-white poor bastard from creeping you out. For all your talk against bigotry, Milady needs to look in your heart and soul, because you sound like the people who say "I'm not racist, and fail to say as long as the n***** stay in their neighborhoods and away from relationships with my kids). M

P.S. Brightspot is very much correct that yours was a racist post in response to me, probably because you didn't think it through before typoing it.
In your response You are saying that in BDSM whites should stick to whites, blacks to blacks, etc; or that within wiitwd, blacks should never endeavor to play like the whites by saying they seek a relationship of total CONSENSUAL control over their partners' lives??????? M

BlkTallFullFig


BlkTallFullFig, i would not make racist remarks and offend you deliberately. i regret now that i ever brought the subject up. i was not saying there should be some form of segregation in BDSM...that's patently ridiculous. What bothered me was having a desire for a certain ethnicity rather than a woman's character. i spoke to a friend last night who told me this is a very well-accepted practice in BDSM, and i was in the wrong for writing what i did.

i suppose the better course of action would have been to ask some of the experienced D/s friends i have about this off the boards. i'd remove the offensive post but by now it's been quoted too much.

All i can do is say i am sorry; i never meant to offend and obviously spoke in a manner or about a subject that did in fact offend.

i want to thank you in advance for considering what i've said and forgiving me, if you are able.

pinkpleasures

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 12:52:58 AM   
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i was not saying there should be some form of segregation in BDSM...that's patently ridiculous. What bothered me was having a desire for a certain ethnicity rather than a woman's character. i spoke to a friend last night who told me this is a very well-accepted practice in BDSM, and i was in the wrong for writing what i did.

Hey pink, I see it more as a misunderstanding. They happen... I do know of people that like a certain type of person for a relationship... I even hear that there are some weirdoes
that like to be spanked and tied up.. and .. your not going to believe this.. some that like to do that to them...
Oh.. wait… I’m one of the second type….. ;-)
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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 12:56:39 AM   
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As long as your not advocating others being not allowed to have their choices based on YOUR feelings, then it sounds like a misunderstanding. If you do… then that’s racism in my opinion.
Let’s face it.. if you can have children with them… then genetically speaking you’re the same… deal with it
Phoenxx/Tony


Holy cow has this gone sideways. When did i ever say -- imply -- or otherwise indicate that certain enthnicities should not be allowed to join BDSM? i had ONE question: about a Black Master seeking a white slave. To me, it felt strange given US history...and i found it hard to understand and accept, so i posted about it. i was looking for guidance and information, but i did not receive it...instead i was labeled a racist and treated to abuse.

In all fairness, i have spoken to a dear friend who feels i should never have posted what i did; and that such questions should instead be directed in private to my friends. i think He is correct...and i apologise for offending people. That was not my intention, but it obviously was the result.

pinkpleasures

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 12:56:58 AM   
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Thank You for giving me the benefit of the doubt; This is a subject i should probably not have spoken about; simply put, it confuses me -- but it is not the first nor i am sure the last time i shall be confused. It appears i have just discoverd another aspect of BDSM which kinda shocked me, but Gawd knows that's happened before.


So now PP it is because you are confused, that I don't doubt, but I witnessed your racism not confusion. your appology seems moot to me.

*Brightspot

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RE: Tolerence and Understanding - 10/25/2005 1:04:45 AM   
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Pink can have any opinion she wishes....she is human....hehe i hope...just picking.Every sub/slave knows a type she wishes to bow down beforeNo one said different. What we did say is that if while she is admonishing hatred and bigotry she is also creeped out by someone within lifestyle simply because he is black and Dominant, than she should look in the mirror when looking for bigots.
I've never spoken against anyone's preference, and I have my own. So I just want you to understand that no one cares who Pink chooses to bow down before, as that is not what we're discussing.

M/BlkTallFullFig


Once again...i was having difficulty understanding/accepting the image of a Black Master and i was also confused by the need for a certain ethnicity in His slave. So i posted about it...saying i refrained from any commentary to the Man due to my confusion about the matter.

It is obvious i am in the dark here; that no one else has a strange reaction to such things...at least no one admits to it....so again, i apologise for the post and the offense it caused.

pinkpleasures

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