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forced masculinity - 2/22/2005 6:33:13 PM   
LadyAngelika


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Status: offline 		Ok. So I have a fetish. It's masculinity. It isn't my only fetish, but it one of them and one that I rarely see discussed.

Yes I'm bi. Yes I love feminity as well. But it seems that most sub boys that I cross are searching to be feminized and there is nothing wrong with that, we all have our kinks.

My kink is masculanization. I feel a lot of men have lost touch of their masculinity. They have been "dénaturé" as we say in French, which is to take out of it's native environment, to deprive of its natural character, properties, etc,

I like to bring a man in touch with his true masculinity. Not some macho overcompensation but what it is to be a true gentleman, to take pride in manhood, in strength, etc.

Any other Domme share my fetish?

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/22/2005 11:59:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		That sounds interesting and I would like to understand more of what You mean. Can You elaborate further?

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 12:09:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		i myself have never liked the feminized idea. it does nothing for me. i like being male and a sub. Then again its what makes the Domme happy that matters.
i would like to hear more about the “forced” part though that sounds interesting.
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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 3:20:26 AM   
WulfMan


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Status: offline 		Exactly!

I am the same way, I personally don't quite understand the femine thing, but I am not one to judge. Personally I like the fact that I am a man. Doesn't mean I have to be an ass about it, but be kind and all gentlemen like. lol No dresses for me.

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 4:37:38 AM   
ProtagonistLily


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Status: offline 		Mmmmm....manly men. I love the way men smell, the feel of their hands after they've worked, the slight five o'clock shadow they somtimes have, the clumsy way they have with words when they want something, are desperate for something....mmm men.

I have no interest in feminization from a purely pleasure standpoint. Feminization has it's uses in my opinion, none of which get me off.

Why some believe that raw masculinity and submission are somehow antithetical boggles me. I'd much rather have a man in a pair of well worn jeans at the sink doing the dishes than a sisified man in a dress anyday. And I realize that feminization is a kink many men have and that's perfectly ok. I just won't be someone who is interested in an unmasculine submissive.

And masculinity isn't only physical. It's emotional and psychological as well. I like strong men. I tend toward men who, in their day to day lives, are Alpha to the rest of the pack. I don't want a 'sensitive' submissive. I want a submissive who is not insensitive. Although they may look the same, they are entirely differant.

I'm with you Angelika. Vive l'homme!

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 4:45:46 AM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: GentleLady

That sounds interesting and I would like to understand more of what You mean. Can You elaborate further?

Gentle Lady


Elaborate further... hmmm. I'm not sure I understand which part you don't understand ;)

In all seriousness, it's all about harnessing a man's masculinity. True masculinity. As far as achieving this, I've only started exploring possibilities. I have to admit there aren't many resources.

I talk with a lot of men anywhere from their late 30s on who tell me that though feminism was necessary and accomplished a lot for women, it left men a little lost. In Québec, we have a name for these men: “homme rose”, directly translated, it’s a pink man. It’s a man who’s been emasculated. It’s almost epidemic here to be honest and the effect it has had on the generation that is now 20 something is awful. It’s almost a rebellion of macho but they don’t even know how to be macho properly. A mess I tell you.

So how can I help a man find his long lost masculine ways? One of the first things is to bring them back in touch with chivalry. I like a man to open doors for me and help me with my coat. I expect that a man ensure my comfort but in a strong, confident way. A lot of it is subtle and different for every man. For some men, it’s all about teaching them to “take it like a man” or “walk like a man”. <weg>.

I’m not sure if this answers your question. Ask me something precise if you wish and I’ll see how I can elaborate further.

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 4:47:46 AM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: mantis65
i would like to hear more about the “forced” part though that sounds interesting.


Think of LadyAngelika's boot camp for boys: "How to take it like a man" <vweg>

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 4:58:10 AM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily
I have no interest in feminization from a purely pleasure standpoint. Feminization has it's uses in my opinion, none of which get me off.

My sentiments exactly.

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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily
I'd much rather have a man in a pair of well worn jeans at the sink doing the dishes ...

Ok... now there is a image of loveliness!

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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily
I don't want a 'sensitive' submissive. I want a submissive who is not insensitive.

Exactly!!

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 6:28:09 AM   
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Why some believe that raw masculinity and submission are somehow antithetical boggles me. I'd much rather have a man in a pair of well worn jeans at the sink doing the dishes than a sisified man in a dress anyday. And I realize that feminization is a kink many men have and that's perfectly ok. I just won't be someone who is interested in an unmasculine submissive.


I have nothing against feminization, it just isn't for me. Like you, I prefer the big rugged looking type. I think it has something to do with the conquest. I'm 5'2" tall, not a real big person, and my male sub is 6'5" tall, goatee, which I prefer (he said it's unusual for a male sub to be told to have facial hair, but that's another thread I guess) and to see that kneel down to me, submit to me, well, it's a feeling that isn't easily compared. One thing I would love to hear is how the big burly masculine submissive/slaves feel in return? Do they feel "conquered" I wonder?

Jewel

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 10:29:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		wow - what an interesting topic. I completely agree - what is a turn on is having a strong MAN submit. As Lily articulated it, I love the aesthetics of a man's physicality.

*fans self*

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 11:00:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Shayna

wow - what an interesting topic. I completely agree - what is a turn on is having a strong MAN submit. As Lily articulated it, I love the aesthetics of a man's physicality.

*fans self*


same here ... although, I must admit, I have a thing for a guy who can still look totally masculine in a skirt (skirt, kilt, whatever ...) but most guys don't understand that and if I mention it, they automatically assume that I'm gonna doll them up in a skirt and heels and makeup ... hell, I don't wear dresses or heels very often, and I don't wear makeup ever ... And strangely enough, I like androgynous looking guys ... but I still want them to be masculine in attitude and personality, as Lily said earlier in the thread.

We don't mind those who crossdress, as long as it isn't a daily thing. We definately don't ever do 'forced' cd ... not our thing. And the funny thing is, except for when he is crossdressing (which he only does maybe 3 or 4 times a year, if that), the boy that we have living with us now is probably one of the most masculine men we know (not all macho-blowhard type, but definately manly and masculine and gentlemanly & all that ... ).

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 11:29:43 AM   
WulfMan


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Here is some food for thought, since I've ditched to road to becoming a fighter pilot. I've taken on an even tougher assingment, combat control. Which is Air Force special forces, aka they roll with the Navy Seals and Delta Force and such. Well since I've started doing that, I've made alot of friends that are going down that carrer path and that are also already into it. Recently, my Mistress aka Amanda was talking with one of the Combat Controller's wives, the combat controller being a very good friend of mine. And you know the ussual subject came up, sex. Turns out that my friend is kinky submissive as well, and he can seriously rip the head off of anyone, I'm not so bad myself, due to physical training and boxing and such.
What I'm getting at is that there are such "manly men" in this world, I like to concider myself as one of them. BUT THE MAJOR POINT, is for those ladies seeking them. When I look back and think I notice all my friends in the military, who are tough and rugged, are friggen teddy bears around their wives or girlfriends. So, You'd be surprized how many submissive men are in the military, esspecially among the officer ranks.

In Other words if you are truely in search for a manly man. Go to a local military bar sometime, you might come out pleased.

There is my 2 cents. And please don't go searching for me lol I'm already taken hahahaha.


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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 11:34:53 AM   
WulfMan


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Status: offline 		Oh and LadyAngelika, not exactly what you gonna do being in Canada and such. With Canada's military, 2 guys on a horse with sling shots, and all that.

HAHAHA just kidding, don't hurt me.

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 12:07:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ahhhh, men in kilts are a beautiful thing. I have the great fortune of going to a school where we are known as "The Fighting Scots." Our band uniform is a full Scotish military dress uniform, complete with kilt, sporran, hose tops, spats and the works. There's nothing better on a Saturday morning then to watch a bunch of college boys running around in kilts......too bad band season is over......


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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 12:17:35 PM   
WulfMan


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Status: offline 		haha! I must have missed the scottish thing.

Good ole half scott half irish, so I love to drink but hate to pay for it hahaha.
Don be bashing kilts, KILT ON YEAH.
*does a series of headbangs then sits back down.*

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 1:29:04 PM   
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Ahhhh, men in kilts are a beautiful thing. I have the great fortune of going to a school where we are known as "The Fighting Scots." Our band uniform is a full Scotish military dress uniform, complete with kilt, sporran, hose tops, spats and the works. There's nothing better on a Saturday morning then to watch a bunch of college boys running around in kilts......too bad band season is over......


Edited for spelling error


See, I find a man in a kilt very manly and appealing. It's a Kilt, not a pink frilly sissy skirt.

And the added benefit of free balling is always welcome ~grin~

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 1:34:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
One of the first things is to bring them back in touch with chivalry. I like a man to open doors for me and help me with my coat.


I find it incredible that when I do simple things like this, women swoon. I open the door for everyone. I stand up when a woman enters the room, or when I am greeting a man. I help my lady into her coat. All of these things I learned from my father, and I imagine his dissaproval were I to stop.

I think one of the problems is that so many men have no idea how they are supposed to behave in these situations. There should be a modern book of male ettiquite...hmm...sounds like a project.

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 1:44:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: I find it incredible that when I do simple things like this, women swoon. I open the door for everyone. I stand up when a woman enters the room, or when I am greeting a man. I help my lady into her coat. All of these things I learned from my father, and I imagine his dissaproval were I to stop.






I am not surprised by this at all. I can't remember the last time a man opened a door for me, offered to help me with my coat or any other small niceties that used to be common. I may get a thump for this, but I really feel that we have brought it upon ourselves. Many men feel like they cannot do these things because it may offend the woman by making her feel "weak". I miss chivalrous behaviour.

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 2:26:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't swoon when a man opens the door for me or helps me with my coat, but I certainly think it is a demonstration of good manners. How he does it would determine whether or not they were excellent, and he were, in fact, above average. In which case I may swoon later.

I actually spent a bit of time, for the first time, with a sissy boy just before Christmas. It wasn't a bad experience, and I did have fun with it, but it is not my cup of tea. I prefer my boys to be boys. They are getting a lot of power from me, I enjoy seeing it ripple in that pure masculinity...among other things.

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/23/2005 3:06:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I don’t see a problem with masculine men as salves or subs at all.
If all men were naturally dominant our military would be nothing but generals and never be able to function.
Armies are made up of men that are conditioned to obey orders.
I wish most people would stop thinking of male subs/slaves as wimps or weak.
Some also imply those males submissive are less than heterosexual also not being “real men”.
Some of us are wired to want to serve not be in charge.
If the Domme wants to emasculate him in some way that’s up to her.
If a Domme wanted to she could put me in a dress (had that done once, I make an ugly woman) all that happens is I feel stupid or clown like.
Now she makes me want to act like a dog or some other sub-human creature at lest there’s some real humiliation in or me.
I wish it caught on more to think of slaves as men we can still suffer and obey with out wearing a dress.
Anyway I like your idea LadyAngelika and I hope it catchs on more.
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