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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/7/2005 12:14:42 AM   
skittles47


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ORIGINAL: stormsfate

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But my Faith says one and one alone~

Sincerely, ant


I didn't want to hijack the other thread (as I'm often so guilty of doing), but I was interested in the perspective of others with regard to ant's above referred to statement.

When my owner and I first began discussing polyamory, it didn't hit me, but after we actually began our relationship with v, some of the teachings from my youth reared up and I struggled with the moral issues of polyamory. Despite our exploration getting its start by my approaching my owner, I hit a brick wall for a time and at one point was asking myself "what have I done?" I felt as if I had opened pandora's box and would never be able to close it again, or go back. I did work through it, because it was important to me to find out what was causing the feelings I was having and to resolve the conflict I was having inside.

During that time, I remember running across some articles that gave me an interesting perspective. I don't consider myself religious in the least...but I am spiritual in ways. I have beliefs that could easily fit in with many different religions if you rolled them into one, from christianity to paganism, to wiccan, to muslim, but I was raised in a christian household. I had been taught that polyamory was wrong. At any rate, I discovered that the Bible actually does not speak against polyamory...imagine my suprise...lol.

So I'm curious...did any of you struggle with any perceived moral issues as it relates to poly? I find it ironic that when I came to the BDSM lifestyle at age 24, I never once struggled with what it was in me that craved this lifestyle as many appear to do. I never once thought something was wrong with me so when it came to this, I was blindsided by what I was feeling at the time...I simply never expected to feel those things.

I am happy to report that I'm very much at peace now and not at all conflicted, but it was a journey for me.

best regards,
fate



Hello
I am fairly new to the polyamory lifestyle, just a couple of years and that was online only, but I don't have any trouble reconciling my christianity and the polyamorous life. Over 25 years ago while I was heavily into the fundamental church scene, call it temporary insanity or searching, I did some extensive bible study. I don't remember exactly where anymore but I do remember for sure that it was in Corinthians. It says everything is sanctified in the marriage bed. I may have read it wrong but I don't think so and it seems pretty self explanatory to me. When you have consenting adults and no one is hurt to each his own.
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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/7/2005 10:02:38 AM   
slavedesires


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Status: offline 		i love reading dark~angel. She never bashes and she is very respectful of others views and lifestyle.

This is MY take on religion.......

Religion is a broad catch word.
Denominationis also. Within denominations are their own creeds, beliefs and dogma.
As human beings, we tend to confuse religion and denomintion and a spirtual relationship wtih a Devine God.
One can be CHRISTIAN and yet have diametrically opposed beliefs, morals, values with (for EXAMPLE) the Catholic dogma, the Lutherans, the Baptists, Anglecans ......... and hundreds of other denominations and faiths all lumped under the title Christian. But they all use, interpret and understand The Word of God differnently....even within the Baptist denomination the act of baptism is interpreted differently.

Each one of us have a standard of values, morals, ethics, beliefs and we all base them on SOMETHING. Many call that "something" religion, denomination and yet i choose to say i base them on THE WORD OF GOD.

i sat in my therapists office on Wed and she asked me, after i explained WIITWD to her, and what have you done with God?
She was amazid at the greater understanding i had of the old and still much used fundamental evangelical term "trust and obey" & "perfect submission, all is at rest..."

i also understand a merciful loving God who hates sin, loves the sinner, offers redemption and yet holds all accountqbile in the end.
i know of no other "religion" that offers a personal relationhip with the great I AM.
Who also created us with free will and allows us our choices, no matter what they are and yet will hold us accountable not for those choices of actions but our action, choice of what it is that we do with HIM.

The choices are ours to make...even to ridicule/judge other's faiths, actions and words.

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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/7/2005 1:45:52 PM   
skittles47


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Status: offline 		Well said slavedesires. I personally believe that all religions have some truth. All religions have dogma based on man's desire. There is no room in our lives for bashing or judging of any sort, if we want to be happy. Just as there is no room for jealousy or judging in the polyamorous relationship. We all have to work together seeing the right and good in all of us.
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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/7/2005 2:58:27 PM   
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Well it's hard for most people to read the original texts since they were in greek, aramaic and latin...


Well, IMO... if a person is going to take something seriously, then they should be prepared to understand and know it before they practise it.

Like Whipping. A Dominant, for safety reason alone - shouldn't just buy a manual on 'How to Whip - 101' then go out and whip the first person they see. Reading a book doesn't make you an expert - you have to study, practise, test all the time.

As for most christians not knowing what God is - In my experience I think you will find that most know that God is Love and Light - but thats just my experience. What does He want and aiming for? - us.

Lol... now I digress from the poly thread... yikes !
Actually, I don't think I have... Love, Light and Us - kinda all wrapped up in one happy poly household. Sounds christian to me.

Peace and Love

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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/7/2005 7:20:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not Bashing ok~~

But I believe that God put the "Manuscripts" If You will
into the right hands.

I've even put some of Gods laws to test.

I Believe that we all need someone or something to Believe in,
But for me, it's a matter of whether I know Who I'm serving is right,
or What I'm doing to serve them is right also...

quote:

"These Truly Are The End of Times!"
Sincerely, ant

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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/8/2005 9:58:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: knees2you

I'm not Bashing ok~~

But I believe that God put the "Manuscripts" If You will
into the right hands.

I've even put some of Gods laws to test.

I Believe that we all need someone or something to Believe in,
But for me, it's a matter of whether I know Who I'm serving is right,
or What I'm doing to serve them is right also...

quote:

"These Truly Are The End of Times!"
Sincerely, ant



agreed ant, and ONLY you can determine that for yourself.
to judge others based upon your values, ethics, beliefs and morals is what no one enjoys.

and so does how a poly relationship or lifestyle with your religious beliefs fit for you and yours? since thats the thread..heheheheh

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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/9/2005 7:39:00 PM   
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wow, ant -

I am sorry, I do respect your views. But my heart aches also, a righteous ache. It aches that you know about God from man, but you don't know Him.

I am bloody proud to follow God, and to know His truth and His love and His light.
I was about to type that I was ashamed by your words, being a christian myself. But no - I refuse. I refuse to be pushed away into denying my belief, because of ignorance and a lack of love and acceptance.
Peace and Love



dark~angel, I'm glad Your bloody pround to serve God
but You also serve Your Master?
I'm sure he is a Wonderful person~~

Sincerely, ant


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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/9/2005 8:07:18 PM   
slavedesires


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ORIGINAL: knees2you

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wow, ant -

I am sorry, I do respect your views. But my heart aches also, a righteous ache. It aches that you know about God from man, but you don't know Him.

I am bloody proud to follow God, and to know His truth and His love and His light.
I was about to type that I was ashamed by your words, being a christian myself. But no - I refuse. I refuse to be pushed away into denying my belief, because of ignorance and a lack of love and acceptance.
Peace and Love



dark~angel, I'm glad Your bloody pround to serve God
but You also serve Your Master?
I'm sure he is a Wonderful person~~

Sincerely, ant


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and your point is? asking after i looked at your profile.

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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/9/2005 10:39:45 PM   
TheSecondRebel


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Status: offline 		My entrance into the poly lifestyle was also met with problems, but for many different reasons. As I look back on it, I have always been poly. I have cheated on every woman I have ever been involved with. Monogamous fidelity was not something I was capable of. I have always loved multiple people at the same time.

Most religious objections to poly stem from the sexual side. I think one thing a lot of poly people need to do (myself included) is when explaining the nature of poly to take the emphasis off of sex and place it on Love where it belongs.

As someone who not only spiritual, but in the clergy, I originally found it hard to reconcile my desires with my belief. Until such time when I really came to accept that the main part of being a Christian is expressing God's Love. When I Love, I try to do it with Godly intention. As I have grown both in faith and in my own sense of security, I realize that there is nothing wrong with Loving more than one person at a time. There is nothing inherently evil or sinful in it. Love is a gift from God. It is man that has limited Love, not God.

When poly is practiced correctly and in Love and honesty, it is pure and fulfilling and enables one to truly express themselves as a Loving being. Since I have admitted to myself that I am poly, my relationships have been more open and honest and sincere. I am no longer the dishonest person that I once was. Sure, not everyone gets it, but that's cool. As long as *I* get it and the people I am involved with.

For me, being poly is a part of my spirituality and my spiritual path. It may not work for everyone, but for me, it works great.

But as an aside. Has anyone ever noticed this. Some monogamous people will suggest/demand that everyone be monogamous. I have never seen a poly person demand that everyone be monogamous. Wonder why that is? (/sarcasm)

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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/10/2005 2:23:18 AM   
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hmmm... not understanding your point?
Please when you are able - ellabourate?

Peace and Love

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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/10/2005 2:31:25 PM   
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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/10/2005 5:59:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dark~angel

hmmm... not understanding your point?
Please when you are able - ellabourate?

Peace and Love


No real point. Just sharing my experience. Unless you are curious about my last line.

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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/10/2005 9:26:50 PM   
knees2you


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Status: offline 		I am Sorry,
But within the last month, Yes it is
Possible, I have had a change of Heart for alot of things~
Yes I still have a Profile here, but as I've gotten
messages from Mistresses, they are Curious as to why I
am so Happy?
It is because of after 26 years of Running, I
have found Piece of Mind.

Yes it has taken me this long~

I now only serve one Person
I don't and haven't pushed Religon
onto anybody.

I use to be a paganist and a buddhist.

I now know Right from wrong! It was always there,
I just never saw it, Untill recently.

I serve one now, and have never been happier.
But then the Truth can be so Painfull~~~~

Sincerely, ant


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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/11/2005 2:12:38 AM   
darkangel


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ORIGINAL: TheSecondRebel

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ORIGINAL: dark~angel

hmmm... not understanding your point?
Please when you are able - ellabourate?

Peace and Love


No real point. Just sharing my experience. Unless you are curious about my last line.


Greetings SecondRebel

I can see you are new posting to the site - welcome!
Actually I loved your post - I thought it was very sincere.

If you observe in the corner of each post - it shows who the person is responding to and If you notice, I was asking kneestoyou what He was refering to as I did not understand his point and post to me - my comment was not to you.

I hope this clears up any misunderstanding. Really looking forward to more of your posts.

Peace and love


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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/11/2005 2:16:41 AM   
darkangel


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ant - really sorry - I still don't get you point you made at me.

maybe I am having a blonde moment

lol

Peace and Love

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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/11/2005 7:31:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		god(s) were created by man in order to try and answer those questions which mankind was unable to empirically answer during that point in time when that god was created. Therefore, religion was a creation of man, so if mankind did not exist, there would be no gods. And if there were no gods, religion would not exist.

But then again, if mankind did not exist, Wwe wouldn't be having this discussion about poly and religion, since Wwe wouldn't be here. LOL

Best Regards,

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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/11/2005 10:09:34 AM   
stormsfate


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Status: offline 		I don't agree with you SenorX, but respect your right to believe what you will. Master leans more towards believing there is no God...and its hard for me to understand that way of thinking. I mean...just look around..how can their not be? The miracles that take place in every day life that have no rhyme nor reason. For me..that is God.

That being said...whatever you call him, it, her...to me, its all the same entity. Maybe that's why I don't have problems with the worlds different religions. I think all paths lead to the same place.

Wow!!! <does double take at self> I've become involved in a religious discussion that I actually instigated myself!!! I've broken a cardinal rule...never discuss politics (laughing towards Lily) or religion.


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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/11/2005 5:08:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dark~angel


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheSecondRebel

quote:

ORIGINAL: dark~angel

hmmm... not understanding your point?
Please when you are able - ellabourate?

Peace and Love


No real point. Just sharing my experience. Unless you are curious about my last line.


Greetings SecondRebel

I can see you are new posting to the site - welcome!
Actually I loved your post - I thought it was very sincere.

If you observe in the corner of each post - it shows who the person is responding to and If you notice, I was asking kneestoyou what He was refering to as I did not understand his point and post to me - my comment was not to you.

I hope this clears up any misunderstanding. Really looking forward to more of your posts.

Peace and love



Ooops, my mistake.....sorry for the confusion

And thank you.

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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/11/2005 7:07:56 PM   
Lepidoptera


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ORIGINAL: ravenna

i never expected to be owned by two men. i've never had any reservations about being able to love more than one person, or have sex with more than one, or submit to more than one, but being actually owned by more than one man was a complete surprise. When my master Michelangelo told me in January what he wanted to do with my life, that he wanted to bring Marco back into it and own me jointly with him, i was completely dumbfounded, but i love and trust both of these guys, each had owned me before, they are the two inseparable and indispensible and very different loves of my life, and within thirty seconds of being with the two of them together again it all made perfect sense. (Besides, it really wasn't up to me, anyway, thank God.)

As for "serving two masters" creating a religious problem? My body, heart, mind and spirit all belong to my masters without reservation, but my soul (and their souls) ultimately belongs to another Master, who is also my masters' Master; my owners agree that my soul is only theirs to use in trust until it must be returned to Christ at the end of my life. So in that sense we all serve the same Master...



Wow... someone how I never thought about that when I think of polyamory... do you ever get in a situation where you have to choose loyalties? (i.e., being commanded to do two contradictory things?) Do you feel equally about both of them?

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RE: Religion and polyamory... - 5/12/2005 9:26:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		storm, you read only that which you wanted to read from My post rather than simply reading My post.

"When a person tries to read between the lines, they read nothing but blank space." X

:)

Best Regards,

X

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