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ansfrid -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/24/2005 4:15:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel
I have to say it again, I know it's been said a thousand times... you are either wired for poly or you are not. There is no "Lets just try it and maybe you'll get used to it", that doesn't work.


Sorry....untrue (in my opinion). I agree with that in regards to homosexuality (mostly anyways), but not for poly. I think poly attitudes come largely from social conditioning, and one's exposure to different mediums of sexuality, love, family, and relationships. I am poly, for me, it was learned. I had no such inclinations when I was younger. I aspired to the monogamous model...it's all I knew, but I didn't feel lacking or empty either. My becoming poly was a result of exposure to open minded attitudes, interesting people, the fact my parent's raised me to be open minded and non judgemental, and was sealed by falling in love with a flirtatious, outgoing, and social woman. It was a culmination of events that made me different than the sum of my experiences when I was younger may have let on, aside from the open mindedness of my parents.

It might not work for everyone, but it absolutely can work as a result of someone giving it a try. If they have the support structure in place, if they have someone to talk to, if their partners are honest, and take the time to work through the issues that might arise, then they may find success. Or...they may not, and be more comfortable firmly rooted in monogamy. I don't believe in the slightest it's hard wired tough, pre determined, and lost to the whims of fate.




dizzylizzy -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/26/2005 3:03:24 PM)

I have a problem with anyone seeking out poly just to be poly. The " I want 3 slaves" makes me wonder exactly how genuine the person is posting that. From what I've seen poly that develops naturally works...forced poly hardly ever does.

I have been in a poly relationship that was wonderful, and loving. It was not cultivated or shopped for, it just happened...there was a friendship, then an attraction, which turned into a love affair which turned into a desire for more constant contact between all parties involved. She was my bestfriend, my sister, and we loved the same man and shared him. There was no fighting, no jealousy, it was awesome.

Liz




kisshou -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/27/2005 5:20:43 AM)

was denotes past tense, what caused the relationship to end?




lechat -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/27/2005 7:24:59 PM)

it's just nature, male mammals are naturally polygamous. unlike geese! lol millions rise above it, some fall thru the cracks. lucky if it works out, but humans females aren't genetically programmed like herd animals!




LadyAngelika -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/27/2005 7:32:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lechat

it's just nature, male mammals are naturally polygamous. unlike geese! lol millions rise above it, some fall thru the cracks. lucky if it works out, but humans females aren't genetically programmed like herd animals!



Thank goodness I evolved past the animal stage and am a full fledged human who can choose to have her harem of boys ;)

- LA




lechat -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/27/2005 7:46:36 PM)

aren't we all! bull's have a few seconds pleasure rogering one of their herd and go back to eating grass! not a very fulfilling life! ' lest of of course you really like your "greens" lol........tim.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/28/2005 5:01:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lechat

aren't we all! bull's have a few seconds pleasure rogering one of their herd and go back to eating grass! not a very fulfilling life! ' lest of of course you really like your "greens" lol........tim.


Well considering I eat 10 portions of fruits and veggies per day... yeah I do like my greens ;)

But in all seriousness lechat, my post was more to indicate to you that not only "nature" comes into play with humans. We have intellect and individual thought/experience mixed in.

- LA




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/28/2005 5:24:01 AM)

It certainly is in THIS chicks nature to be poly...and you can't imagine the number of males I know who are naturally monogamous.




stormsfate -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/28/2005 7:01:00 AM)

Oh I agree, Emerald...although I do believe monogamy has mostly to do with societal teachings rather than how we are wired. If we had all been raised poly, then it would be the norm for us.


best regards,
f





LadyAngelika -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/28/2005 8:02:41 PM)

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and you can't imagine the number of males I know who are naturally monogamous


I think I tried dating way too many of them ;)

- LA




Gemeni -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/28/2005 11:07:21 PM)

If the Dom wants a second and the other doesn't it's not going to work.

No matter how much he tries to make it happen. There MUST be a strong mutual desire amoung ALL parties,or just forget it entirely.

You cannot ORDER someone to like someone else-it just doesn't work that way.




dragonofjapan -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/29/2005 7:30:10 AM)

Well I have read through all this. Here is my opinion.

Disclaimer:
When I was a small child I had a vision of a coming new world paradigm, so I think this might put me in the "oh my god not one of those" catagories. ;-)

Over time I have wondered why it is women are so fearful of one another. I have come to feel this is based on the hatred of women in the 3 main world religions, Buddhist, Christian and Muslims all are based on women being unclean, and their sexuality is evil. This hatred is trying lately to be brushed over.

These religions have done this for very good marketing reasons. They are run by men and if women were allowed to have power, these men would lose their power. Let's face it religion is the number one business in both money and power bar none. So this attitude is totally understandable.

I call this paradigm "Not Enough".

Every thing they do is based on making each person know there is not enough for everyone to be happy and each person is not enough to Have What they want!

So when a woman is faced with the fact there is Not Enough Love and They are Not Enough to Keep her man, then every other woman is a threat.

I have found people who accept poly or better still embrace poly, are people who come from an inner sense of abundance and a desire to give.

I have also found when either a man or a woman brings the next lover to the relationship, then there is less of a sense of fear and the partner sees the "new" lover as an extension of their lover.

I come from the point of view that what makes us uniquely human is NOT we are tool makers, but we use sex as a social bonding tool.

As best I can tell, except for a few monkeys on some occasions and dolphins, humans are the only animal where the female is capable of having sex at anytime. Most importantly she has been given a "joy buzzer" to make the act of sex pleasurable.

With religions promoting hatred of women and sexual desire being basically evil, it is hardly surprising the "not enough" and this is Bad has become so prevalent in our societies.

The fact is, as has been so often said, 80 to 90% of sex is between the ears. With this heavy push to think sex is bad and wrong, and women are "sinister" , it is hardly suprising how many people subscribe to the feelings of being "Not Enough" and therefore threatened by your partner having another lover.

I discovered rather early in my life, when my lover was off with a different man, I imagined the beautiful scene, the clothes of course falling off and the violins swell and knew they were not just forking, like she and I do, but they were having some "magical experience".

When I was lying there watching my lover with a different man, I could see the clothes don't come off any more easily, the kissing is sloppy, and the sex is sex, even if it is really great, there were no violins.

Over time I have, through experience, come to a few ideas of what works most, certainly not for all, but do work most.

First, when a woman brings another woman to her man, she is less likely to feel jealous, and her lover is more likely to see that "other woman" as an extension of his lover. I find the opposite works for men as well.

I see one way of having cake, yet having that nuclear coupleness as follows. Imagine, as in the Bob Dylan song, Everybody serves somebody.

A couple would serve One person above them. They would have a partnering couple who would serve the other half of the couple of the person above them. Each person would have two people below them who would serve them.

I do not see this service as merely sexual, but to serve in making their entire life more successful and enjoyable.

Imagine how YOU would feel, if you knew there were two people devoted to making your life work, to handling the things which come up day to day. If you had this, how much easier would it be to give attention to your partner, how much easier would it be for you with your partner to make one other person's life better?

I call this idea " A Circle of Friends".

I think Heaven is on Earth. In fact Heaven and Hell are exactly the same thing, and the difference is the "way you see". Heaven on Earth is Achieved through Service, Healing and Empathy.

I have used the words Heaven on Earth- Service Healing and Empathy for more than 40 years when a woman pointed out to me their anacronyms were HE - SHE.

Brought on by a simple twist of fate.

Just some thoughts for you all to massively discount, since I am after all an idealist who is clearly off his rocker.

Zip

He who rules, truly serves
as
She who serves truly rules

Heaven on Earth
Service, Healing, Empathy




darkangel -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/29/2005 1:57:48 PM)

Ok... it is offical.

Your post just made me cry.

Beautiful.

Thank You

Peace and Love




stormsfate -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/29/2005 4:50:48 PM)

Wonderful post, dragonofjapan!


best regards,
fate




MsSimone -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/30/2005 12:45:41 AM)

My answer simply is Do Not do it! I have watched too many relationshipos go through this route of one partner doing it to please the other and the disaster it creats for all involved. Treat Poly just like any other limit in your life, if you are uncomfortable do not do it.

Mistress Simone




LadyAngelika -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (4/30/2005 5:59:35 AM)

quote:

Just some thoughts for you all to massively discount, since I am after all an idealist who is clearly off his rocker.


As one of my favorite film makers Akira Kurosawa once said "In a mad world, only the mad are sane".

That was quite a brilliant and insightful post dragonofjapan. Thank you so very much. I hope to read more from you soon.

- LA




subcharmedlilone -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (5/3/2005 4:08:35 AM)

Emerald only way poly will work is if u and ur Master can communicate openly and all involved can communicate as ususal in a D's Relationship communication is of the utmost inportants. Feel free to talk to me in chat would love to go into this more with u but this is not the place u need one on one.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (5/3/2005 5:55:32 AM)

I do? I like one on one...I'll bring the S-wand.




stormsfate -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (5/3/2005 7:01:25 AM)

Huh? <blinking> I really must have missed something here...lol.



f




sexysubbunny -> RE: Poly will make him happy..but me insane! (5/3/2005 4:28:44 PM)


hello Gemeni:
i ran accross your post and couldn't help myself to comment on this one! LOL...........
I was in a recent poly situation and the alpha hated me with passion, she was jealous and very threatened and it caused a very messy situation!
i ended up walking away from a man i care very much about!!
It was a nighmare and all i can say is that i have learned one big lesson!!
Not worth it to me to compete or have someone provoke and game me!
I don't play that way and i don't have time for anyone who does!!

time has healed me but a memory will never be forgotten!!

Take care and be safe........!!




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