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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


What I don't understand is the desire to "Moderate" poster interaction such that nothing kinetic, real, challenging, and emotional ever happens. If people want a knock-down drag out fight on a thread, why not let them have it out? I think the key to moderation would be to insure that fights in the thread stayed in the thread --- as opposed to stopping the fights altogether.

Here's another idea, why not have an UNMODERATED forum area or at least one with less, less strict moderation?

I read the whole thread here, and I did not see anything that mandated the locking of the thread or overt intervention.

Are posters really that dangerous and deranged that they cannot be trusted and hence must be treated as unruly children? I dunno.

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ORIGINAL: incognitoinmass

Not so much masculinity as manliness. Manly men. Less DiCaprio and more Crowe.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300106645/sr=8-1/qid=1141758460/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3778711-9836811?%5Fencoding=UTF8

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ORIGINAL: incognitoinmass

Not so much masculinity as manliness. Manly men. Less DiCaprio and more Crowe.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300106645/sr=8-1/qid=1141758460/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3778711-9836811?%5Fencoding=UTF8

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

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ORIGINAL: incognitoinmass

Not so much masculinity as manliness. Manly men. Less DiCaprio and more Crowe.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300106645/sr=8-1/qid=1141758460/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3778711-9836811?%5Fencoding=UTF8

*laughing*

Achilles as a politican or even a positive role model -- now that's comedy!

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Achilles as a politican or even a positive role model -- now that's comedy! (tammyj)

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This is the same Achilles who was sulking in his tent when his buddy, Patroclus, gets offed by the Trojans? Some role model.
(John Warren)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Ok. So I have a fetish. It's masculinity. It isn't my only fetish, but it one of them and one that I rarely see discussed.

Yes I'm bi. Yes I love feminity as well. But it seems that most sub boys that I cross are searching to be feminized and there is nothing wrong with that, we all have our kinks.

My kink is masculanization. I feel a lot of men have lost touch of their masculinity. They have been "dénaturé" as we say in French, which is to take out of it's native environment, to deprive of its natural character, properties, etc,

I like to bring a man in touch with his true masculinity. Not some macho overcompensation but what it is to be a true gentleman, to take pride in manhood, in strength, etc.

Any other Domme share my fetish?

- LA

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ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven

Please keep in mind that resurrecting a flame-fest because you feel that's "exactly what a MB should be", does not fall under the acceptable reasons for bumping a dead thread.

XI

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

"Once a decision is made to be tasteful and risk-free, all spark, soul, variety, sleaze, spontaneity and fun go right out the window."

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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Achilles as a politican or even a positive role model -- now that's comedy! (tammyj)

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This is the same Achilles who was sulking in his tent when his buddy, Patroclus, gets offed by the Trojans? Some role model.
(John Warren)

I will take up for Achilles here.

#1, no one can question Achilles for his bravery and devotion to HIS men.

#2 Achilles was not responsible for the death Patroclus.

#3 Achilles was not so much sulking as he was protesting when he refused to fight.

#4 Achilles had no personal reason to fight the Trojans and Agamemenon had offended his pride. Why then, would Achilles fight? Why shed the blood of his men for an ASS, Agamemnon.

#5 Achilles respected the wishes of Priam, Hector's father, for a proper burial. Agamemnon would have just taken Priam prisoner and probably have killed him.

I don't think it so right to condemn Achilles for being non conformist and for tiring of Agamemnon's tyranny and lust for power.

And some who would question Achilles here might only think of their bent toward being overly prideful.

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Achilles is certainly a hero in the ancient sense -- none of these ancient Greek heroes are very heroic by modern standards.

Achilles was selfish, very selfish, he went to war because he had to and because he wanted booty -- he was denied booty (rightly or wrongly) and he refused to fight unless he got said booty (a daughter of a local priest by the way) back.

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Not even his own army supported his sulking and thus his friend (or lover if you believe later versions) pretended to be him and went out to fight and died. He killed Hector out of pure anger and revenge -- Priam had to literally beg for his son's body back. My all social and religious rites the way that Achilles acted with Hector's body was horrible.

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Achilles was celebrated for his might in fighting, because he was the son of a goddess, and because he "lived" through a great war NOT because he was a role model of what a good Greek man should strive toward. Greek heroes live beyond and above the rules of society, that is part of what made them heroes, and as such they were not role models for any living man. In fact, he was a good example of what to be wary of thus I think his entire selfish attitude is one of the reasons that he is killed in such a pathetic way with one arrow from love-enslaved Paris/Alexander.

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My problem with said book is only the note in the write up about it on Amazon that the author uses Achilles as a good role model and that entirely misunderstands Achilles and other Greek heroes in their context. Modern versions of the legends romanticize them and soften them cause otherwise most of us could not stomach them.

And yes, I have taught Greek heroes several time and it one of the most difficult things to get students to understand because they so want to romanticize and use modern definitions of heroes.

Note: I'm not commenting on the entire book because I have not read it and therefore cannot comment. Want me to comment on it? Send me the book or ask KinkyBooks.com to get me a copy to review and I'll be glad to do so. I suspect, like most such books, it will have good and bad research, good and bad points, and be of value to those inclined to similar conclusions more than able to change minds.

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ORIGINAL: incognitoinmass

John Wayne or Alan Alda?

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Achilles

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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Achilles

I think he's a great, archetypal character --- one that illustrates the complexities of greatness and character and how they do not easily roll up into one neat little package. Greatness is affecting because oftentimes tragedy and the darker sides of human nature track along with it.

Hence, Achilles is such a memorable character.