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widowerDOM -> Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/20/2005 1:32:37 PM)

Ive been raised in a poly bi family, and have always been in a poly relationship in one way or another my whole life.
It ONLY works if there is a DOM/sub protocal/dynamic.
There is NO such thing as a co-DOM/Partnership marriage , someone is "more" in control more Dominant thant thee other, and 90% of the time its the Male and his sex drive that makes him the "more Dom" of the two. (( she is in denile ))
second
Humans are inherintly monogamus.& or secretivly jelious & possesive.

You CAN make a poly relationship work if You have 1 Alpha and all the other are pure betas.
You MUST have a well defined set contract , a well written spelled out social-emotioinal-placment/system. leaving nothing un-said.
a co-equil poly relatinship is SOOOOoooooo rare as to be a statisticaly non-realtive to the discussion.
Trully evolved & enlightened beings have universal love, and thus dont need to or wish to marry one person let alone 2 3 or more people.
this means You , the initiator of a poly relationship are not in it for "love" You are in it for selfishness.
Approx 90% of all poly relationships are Male initiated , thought of and promoted by men for one reason "guess" ..so they can get laid by multiple partners with differnat bodies and different sexual services & skills,.
Personality, intellect,social skills, tallent etc..are far secondary to a hot body and a submissive maliable female mind.
Dont kid Yourself , most poly relationships are based ion greed and selfishness in the well decieved lie of "Greater Love".."More Love"...lol...ya right...

To make poly work, its best to be honest .
Hey Pal You want these Women for there body Period !!!
SO,...say to Your female better half ,...You Know the Woman You taught-trained-manipulated and lied too into getting Her into BiSexuality for Your selfish desires..that Woman !!!...lol
Say...--> hey honey..look at this hot little submissive sluty collage student She would make a great slave & sexual 3some addition to the family and be a good big sisiter/baby sitter to the kid's..leave the bull shit higher D/s honor love nobility platitudes behind and You WILL have the poly relationship and all the 3way sex You can stand and MORE !!!
And along the way You mite even learn to love people along the way, to drop Yuo fale persona and You phony pretence and love them behond there body.... and not need to lie to them to serve Your selfish addictions.
Poly Works...but not offten.
Are You Evolving ?
now THIS will get some responces....but is Your responce because i have offended the "lier" in You...if so then dont respond...just go on lieing to Your "loved-used" ones and Yourself.
i am glad to discuss the "Lifestyle" i wont trade insults...lol...come to the table/discussion in naked un-ashamed selfish hedonistic truth and then "its all good"




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/20/2005 1:48:23 PM)

You know I find in life that theories where you are somehow ALWAYS right tend to be the most flawed of all.

In your theory, people are either in agreement with you or lying or pretending something else. Thus you are always right.

While it's certainly nice to be right, it goes beyond even my own arrogance to suggest that I'm either always right or everyone else is lying to themselves.

The fact is I personally know that your theories are not as universal as you claim and are certainly not the way all poly is. Call me a liar, I'm ok with that.




stormsfate -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/20/2005 1:57:52 PM)

Hmmmm....I'll have to pass this along to the vanilla poly folk I know. They must not realize that since they aren't in the lifestyle that they have no chance of having a poly relationship work <cheeky grin>.

best regards,
fate




jamesthehumanrug -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/20/2005 2:07:39 PM)

greetings, my dear,
widower dom,
permission ,to speak:
,if i may;
you are right;minus the possibility ,of herums, and, indian cultures ;
monogamy, or even serial-monogamy is the rule; it's a development, of evolution.(biological aspects,of human behavior -boston university, prof.,ms. m.landau,) ,to guard ,against ,inbreeding, and, ensure fittest ,of the species.
i learned ,in abnormal-psych. grad. shool,that,
again you are right
no 3-somes work ;and, the youngest ,if any is always killed, by the oldest ,if any...
plus: 2 females ;even ,if gay ,or, in a "specialized-friendship"(damian,and,pithius,) will never technically be able ,to get along ,without arguments due to ,too similar politics which causes arguments(dissonence,in same strong belief systems:ie: causes protests ,by one ,or the ,0ther,against each ,other,of the same government....)
"viva la differance" ,in this case means
:there are less arguments ,or some positive value, to straight,
or more agreements are possible, if the 2 are: male vs. female,for, instance:
male ,and ,females are ,so different, because, of raised gender differences
( don't worry:there's a 'cure' ;use circular play-toys, thru,out life) ,and ,together are ,in 2 -completely different -gender-based political fields , that
they are,inevitably brought ,up ,in 2 different worlds,
and, therefore:can get along better,than same-sex;
whereas,
one guy don't care ,about ,that little thing ,and, the female is ,out ,of her mind ,about such a thing, as the toilet-seat,up ,and, falling, in, the toilet ,at nite ,by surprize(....,to the male is ,of no concern,to the female is major point,of major concern)....
,altho: "similarity attracts",
if one is dominant the ,other has ,to be ,just , as dominant
,with the polar-opposite trait ,to attract ,and, keep the attention ,of the ,other,so they matched ,together
(ie:really really top, w/really really bottom)
one anology is:
elvis is a huge dominant personality,
and, wants a similar dominant female, that "sticks ,out"
equally dominant, amoung females,
but, still ,maifests, as top/ bottom compliments ,in bed.
so really : "opposites" will usually ,not attract...,
if you can ,over come all this....
,and, find the body; the mind ,and ,the spirit ,of a threesome ,
in a poly- relationship ;it's rare ,(possible,not probable ),and, in theory: will workout....who's who is the question,to figure ,out....
finally ;
according ,to the A.P.A. (AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL ,AND, PSYCHIATRIC ASSOCIATIONS ) "bi "is the most well -ballanced preference, of, both gay ,and ,straight; considering....
,so -sorry ,to take all your time ,goddess ,
only ,to say:
you are absolutely right.




happysexy1 -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/20/2005 6:35:24 PM)

i'm thinking this must be a joke but then again perhaps i am extermely naive.

i am sub to Master William, His alpha sub. W/we are currently looking for a second to join U/us in play and it certainly isn't an easy thing but i do believe it is possible.

i love and trust my Master beyond words. i don't spend a lot of time trying to figure out why He wishes to live a lifestyle that is poly i simply ask Him and myself what i can do to make His wishes a reality.

The answer in my world is really quite simple. Love Him, Trust Him, give up the things i was taught about what is right and wrong in a relationship and try on a new possibility that maybe just maybe i could be happier sharing His love and His life with another than i could be having it all to myself.

It hasn't been that long but so far i must say that my theory seems to be proving quite true. Each time W/we play with another and i share in the affections of not one but two people i am happy and content as is my Master. Because now i have somebody to share my thoughts and feelings with when Master is away. Now i have somebody else besides me who would be willing to do anything for the happiness of my Master.

i've been a second prior to becoming a first. i know it isn't easy. Some nights i wanted more than anything to be in His bed but His second at the time was not willing to share His affections and attentions on a regular basis. i accepted that going in and it is my hope that given the right set of circumstances W/we can find the right second who can share Master's attentions all the time.

Master always let's me know i am special. Master has taught me from the beginning that communication is very important. Master encourages me to search out other females to join O/our household that interest me. He feels that my comfort and pleasure in the second in of great importance because if i don't click with her then there will most certainly be rivalry.

W/we shared O/our bed for the weekend with a lovely sub and had a terrific time. In fact, i can't wait to see her again next weekend and i am most hopeful that the distance in miles between U/us will not prove to be too great an issue to overcome.

i would be proud to have her as a sister!




KnightofMists -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/20/2005 7:26:01 PM)

there is only one thing to do with a post like this .....


LMFAO....




Sensualips -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/20/2005 7:28:46 PM)

That is a interesting, though confusing, commentary. Quite a few absolutes you have there.

All humans are inherently monogamous or secretly jealous.
Every evolved and enlightened person does not need or desire marriage.
There are zero working relationships/partnerships between two dominants.
Poly only works within a s/D context.
Poly relationships are almost entirely male initiated and all based on greed/selfishness.
Second girls are chosen based only on sluttiness and body type.
Poly women have been forced into bisexuality.

Wow. So...yeah.




Lovenlaffs -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/20/2005 7:55:30 PM)

I have never heard such a line of BS in My life. I was not forced to be bisexual. I choose it. I find that a female can touch Me in ways that M/men do not understand. I am happily married to a Dom. I am a switch. I have poly relationships that do not include Him. He has had some without Me. I know in the end that I am His wife and NO ONE will replace Me. As He knows that NO ONE will replace Him. Further more, spell check might help you make yourself a bit clearer.




MistressAmy -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/21/2005 1:09:10 AM)

Amen Lovenlaffs, I too am a bi woman and my desire to have a poly relationship and share my man has much more to do with my needs than with his.

LuckyAlbatross: I couldn't agree with you more either. BTW I love your pic.

[;)]

Amy




sunshine333 -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/21/2005 5:02:40 AM)

i propose that there be some way to censor these posts. one criteria i would have is that if you have to read each sentence more than once just to decipher it ... it should get that big loud gong!

... laughs ...

not so humbly,
sunshine




IrishMist -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/21/2005 5:15:09 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

there is only one thing to do with a post like this .....


LMFAO....


LOL quite right




angaothsi -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/21/2005 5:57:32 AM)

quote:

I have never heard such a line of BS in My life. I was not forced to be bisexual. I choose it. I find that a female can touch Me in ways that M/men do not understand. I am happily married to a Dom. I am a switch. I have poly relationships that do not include Him. He has had some without Me. I know in the end that I am His wife and NO ONE will replace Me. As He knows that NO ONE will replace Him. Further more, spell check might help you make yourself a bit clearer.

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I could have truthfully written everything you wrote here, but since you did it so very well i will just agree with you wholeheartedly!

I will add, vanilia or ortherwise the best advice i can give on giving poly its best chance to succed and grow are three words. Honesty.Trust.Commincation.




Lovenlaffs -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/21/2005 12:43:34 PM)

I believe that Trust, Honesty, and Communication goes hand in hand in EVERY relationship. I can't stand to be lied to. I have been cheated on by My ex husband. I would rather the man/woman tell Me that they are sleeping with someone else then for them to hold it behind My back.




crystalamber -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/21/2005 1:45:59 PM)

thank Y/you E/everyone for this thread. i'm new to the poly lifestyle, and i appreciate that there is no one way to make poly work. thank Y/you for showing me that there is more than one O/opinion.




AbstractSavant -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/21/2005 4:54:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

there is only one thing to do with a post like this .....


LMFAO....


Indeed.




LadiesBladewing -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/21/2005 8:55:02 PM)

I think I understand what you're trying to say. Poly isn't a game. It's really a challenging way to live, and it takes a lot of something... some groups make it, and other ones go up in smoke, and it's hard to tell which ones are going to work and which ones arent. I don't think that having the D/s dynamic will make or break a poly household, though. There are a LOT of successful poly relationships that don't have anything to do with D/s. Our household -does- have a D/s side to it, but the poly relationship came first, and the D/s came with one of our late-arriving partners and stuck because we actually -enjoy- the art of shaping servants (or being shaped into skilled, talented, exceptional servants!)

I've lived for almost a decade in this household since we stepped into the D/s world, and -always- with multiple dominants, with nobody bothering to bugger who was top of the heap... they each had/have their own specialities, but it's pretty egalitarian on the uppermost levels.

Right now, the house is a dyadic matriarchy, though we were an oligarchy for many years. Right now, SilverRose handles the day-to-day stuff, and I handle the esoteric and "mental well being/spiritual well-being" stuff. We both handle the money and the other property. Some days she runs things, some days I run things, some days both of us chip in and nail down the tough stuff.

We discuss stuff when we have the time. When we don't, the person who gets to the scene of the fire first makes an executive decision. Sometimes we discuss it later and modify, sometimes we leave well enough alone, because it worked.

In the beginning of our house, we "fell" into poly... there were four of us who lived together. Three of the four knew each other outside of the household for years, and already loved and respected one another, and when we all came together, it was just the right thing to do. One of us had experience with poly, and one of us had experience with open marriage, and two of us didn't have poly experience in any form... and -still- it worked. Not that it wasn't hard some days to figure things out, but we managed.

I can't tell you what makes a poly family work, or why ours works and someone else's may not. The only thing I can tell you for sure is that we are implicitly honest, direct about our wants, needs, hopes, dreams, expectations (as much as a person -can- be... we all hide things at times, even from ourselves.) We talk, we put the effort into working out the things that aren't working, and we keep trying to find a better way to deal with things so problems don't repeat themselves. For us, -this- is what makes the difference between a successful poly relationship and a complete mess.

Lady Zephyr




Lepidoptera -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/26/2005 12:26:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jamesthehumanrug

greetings, my dear,
widower dom,
permission ,to speak:
,if i may;
you are right;minus the possibility ,of herums, and, indian cultures ;
monogamy, or even serial-monogamy is the rule; it's a development, of evolution.(biological aspects,of human behavior -boston university, prof.,ms. m.landau,) ,to guard ,against ,inbreeding, and, ensure fittest ,of the species.
i


Nope, according to Dr. Emlen at Cornell University you are completely wrong. In fact, some form of polygyny is found in a majority of societies in humans.




B1gbear -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/27/2005 7:33:59 PM)

I will give you that statistically there are far more wannabe poly relationships the fall into the 'just for the great sex' senerio, and most of those die on the vine after the first attempt at such. Naturally any relationship, especially ones that contain more than two individual tend to fail misserably when the truth is avoided. In fact, Poly is probably one of the most abused terms out there in the lifestyle side of things. Most who decide to try there first threesome consider themselves poly.

For those who are out there who truly seek and practice a real poly relationship, hats off to you. Most of the opinionated garbage about everyone being selfish and dishonest is just that, garbage. Those people didn't make it through the first few months of a poly relationship. I would suggest that if you are managing to make it in a true 24/7 monogomous D/s or M/s relationship you have already navigated through the hurtles mentioned and learned as well as practice truth and trust in your power exchange relationship. Since every human being on the planet is an individual with their own mind, wants, desires, needs, etc.....every poly relationship has, in some way, a unique dynamic that works for them. Dom/Dom/slave, Dom/Domme/slave, Dom/slave/slave. It don't matter as some sort of structure and agreed upon dynamic is in place to create that dynamic based on the wants and needs of the individuals involved. If the third or fourth came into an existing lifestyle relationship, the foundation of trust and honesty was already there (save for the dysfunctional percentage which exist in any lifestyle). In my case, past poly relationships aside, my slave evolved into a Dominant and now has the same needs as me. Naturally we love each other and have committed our lives to each other and now will ultimately let a third enter our world to serve both our needs. The dynamic is there already, the trust and honest does not need to be created, its always been there. The need for poly is based on not pushing each other to be something neither is....and accepting we need another to fill that void. The only place that the need for better and more diverse sex drives a poly relationship is in the one type you claim it can be successful in. Dom/slave/slave, typically born out of unhappiness in the monogomous relationship since any real and practicing Dom knows how much more responsibility bringing a second slave in will put in his or her shoulders. Why not just find play partners you don't have to be responsible for unless you perhaps have found someone you really care for and cares enough for you to want to be part of your family...hmmmm. What's the word they use for that....love I think. The ticking time bomb relationships that are represented as the majority are brief attempts and some extra kink that come and go just as fast. That is not poly, that is much closer to swinging, except with a single person instead of just anyone you meet. That is not at all what most of the people I see posting in here about Poly are about.

One final point. In the past relationships and current one, when the word poly comes up, there were not grand stories as to why.....sure it was discussed and sorted out how it would or will work to ensure everyone is happy and secure in their roles, but there is only one answer two individuals may have for each other if they live in a trusting, honest and loving relationship where both are accepting of that possibility. "If that is what you need, then it works for me." Because it doesn't matter if its for better sex, more sex, too much love for just one person, the absence of a submissive with Doms or the absence of a Dom for a sub couple. If they are free of jealousy and resentment for having more than two people in a relationship, that should be the end of the story for them. Isn't that what we all do everyday? Bust our asses to make sure our partners, Masters, Mistress' and submissives are happy and fulfilled? If not, then the lifestyle poly or otherwise is not the problem.




mistresalexandra -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/28/2005 3:13:53 AM)

YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY THE ONE IN DENIAL POLY CAN BE ABOUT SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT YOUR CLOSED MIND PERCIEVES IT TO BE I FIND IT DISTURBING AND SAD THAT YOU ARE A PUBLISHED REPRESENTIVE OF POLYAMOROUS LOVE




LeatherBehr77 -> RE: Poly ONLY works "if" ---> read on (11/28/2005 10:00:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

You know I find in life that theories where you are somehow ALWAYS right tend to be the most flawed of all.

In your theory, people are either in agreement with you or lying or pretending something else. Thus you are always right.

While it's certainly nice to be right, it goes beyond even my own arrogance to suggest that I'm either always right or everyone else is lying to themselves.

The fact is I personally know that your theories are not as universal as you claim and are certainly not the way all poly is. Call me a liar, I'm ok with that.


As having been poly most of my life, i too have to agree with you that many theories of "ABSOLUTE certainty" and that claim to be "ALWAYS" right....more often than not are far from such absolute truth, and are often the person claiming such's delusions of false grandeur(sheerly my opine).




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