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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 12:42:46 AM

Phoenxx

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ORIGINAL: brightspot

First, I never called you an abusive anything.
Second, it would depend on how you punish your children.
Yes, there are many instances where I think authorities should be notified
concerning the abuse of children and I would not hesitate to call you on it.

*Brightspot

True you didn't call me anything ;-) I was making a point thought. And I have called in abuse when I thought it was. But there was a case where a 4 year old had his bottom swatted for slamming a car door on his older sister's hand.. and someone called the cops...
Without knowing the total story it is often hard to know what is right or wrong. But if we try and show respect, we can often find a happy middle ground.

Tony

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 12:43:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: SirSix72

its called bubblysubbies

Damn .. Wal-Fart doesn't have it....

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 3:01:20 AM

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pinkpleasures,

I have read many of your post personally and you have been through soem identical thigns as you and in a way I identified with you on the emotional side of things...I would never attempt to get your goat...I would rather have a positive affirmation from you then the negative.....you are a sweet person and I do enjoy alot of your posts the essence is stimulating.....if I truly bother someone with anything I call them let them confront me about it and myself and that person can hash it out.....and come to an understanding...read through some of my posts espicially the one about D's unplanned pregnacy...there you can see me for what I truly am..I have bared my soul as have many others on these boards so that someone can learn from it wether it be right or wrong....its still an experience and we learn from our mistakes as well as others.........I wish you the happiness you seek to attain............

Master Six

Well, this was quite lovely and unexpected....i extend my hand in friendship.

pinkpleasures

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 3:05:12 AM

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wow...you have the kamakazi approach to this also...I just read another post you made to pinkpleasures...do you get off on trying to tear others down?your respect means nothing to me so we can agree to disagree then?

Master Six

i saw the same comment about "black and blue" but said i hoped You were speaking in a metaphor. While i agree with brightspot that it would be a better world if abusive men were imprisoned more often for their crimes, i saw no other indication You mistreat bella, and so did not jump to the conclusion that You batter her in r/l.

pinkpleasures

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 3:09:37 AM

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quote:

......how could that if I was at lets take for instance IronBears home and He asked bella politely to help with serving the men and the free of the home and she said neener neener......I would let IronBear take the first round with her then I would take up round two....

You have the nerve to say I take a Kamakazi approach??? Look at your words, you would offer another man to beat your woman and then beat her yourself.
It does not surprise me that you do not get racism when it is right in your face, because I assume you feel superior to other races as you do the female gender and probably have as much respect!
Hey maybe if you and Ironbear keep charming and defending PP, maybe you can beat her one day too.

*Brightspot

It's past time to explain why you are having these fits rather than engaging in a level-headed debate. What is really bothering you?

pinkpleasures

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Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant with the weak and the wrong. Sometime in your life you will have been all of these."
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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 3:17:28 AM

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To me this is a form of abuse and just because you may have brain washed your slave into believing such as a natural happing in the "Gorean world", does not make it right. I think there can be effective ways to dicipline without beating someone black and blue and allowing others to do the same.
I do think men who take a work of fiction to manipulate a woman or women to think that being beaten black and blue is okay, to be bad guys, yes, my personal opinion.
And you will not gain a smidget of my respect as a man or a master, this has nothing to do with the simple fact of your gender.

*Brightspot

Yes, brightspot -- holy cow-- we are in the running for the most posts exchanged -- a beating leaving black and blue marks is abuse...but i think when Master Six speaks of disciplining bella His tongue is in His cheek. Bella herself says He treats her well. There ARE abusive men and they DO deserve whatever punishment can be imposed, but i think you have erroneously picked Master Six as an abuser, just as you erroneously picked me as a bigot.

You will probably not take my advice -- but i urge you to try and calm yourself and perhaps react less hysterically.

pinkpleasures

< Message edited by pinkpleasures -- 10/25/2005 4:22:38 PM >

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 3:27:22 AM

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But beating someone black and blue out of anger is abusive, that is my personal opinion and don't think it at all silly. And anyone living in a situation where they are beaten and are allowed to be beaten by others as well and think that is okay and they can not speak up out of fear of being beaten again, they should head to a shelter and start on a road to healing and sanity.

*Brightspot

brightspot, i admire your zeal in the area of battered women, but to say that anyone beaten should remove themselves immediately to a woman's shelter is a major overstatement. First, there are couples for whom that level of pain is a thrill neither one would be willing to give up just to earn your approval. Second, a truely battered woman must FIRST attain a headspace in which she believes she can leave and be safe...and for some it never comes, or only after many years. In one of my cases, the battering had been going on for over 20 years...i treated that woman with the same respect and care i gave anyone else...her long, long road to deliverance was something i found admirable, not a reason to look down my nose at her.

And all this ignores the question of battered men.

pinkpleasures

< Message edited by pinkpleasures -- 10/25/2005 3:28:26 AM >

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Resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant with the weak and the wrong. Sometime in your life you will have been all of these."
~ Bob Goddard ~

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 3:27:23 AM

IronBear

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quote:

ORIGINAL: brightspot

quote:

......how could that if I was at lets take for instance IronBears home and He asked bella politely to help with serving the men and the free of the home and she said neener neener......I would let IronBear take the first round with her then I would take up round two....

You have the nerve to say I take a Kamakazi approach??? Look at your words, you would offer another man to beat your woman and then beat her yourself.
It does not surprise me that you do not get racism when it is right in your face, because I assume you feel superior to other races as you do the female gender and probably have as much respect!
Hey maybe if you and Ironbear keep charming and defending PP, maybe you can beat her one day too.

*Brightspot

Firstly, The matter of the example of what may or may not happen in my home should Six and his girl visit is something apparently outside your acceptance. My home is a Gorean Home and both Six and his girl are Goreans. Thus Gorean codes of conduct or if you prefer Gorean protocols apply. The fact is Six never mentioned beatings, you did. He indicated punishment or at least admonishment. Personally I would leave it to him to punish his slave after she had a few words from me (Not abuse). However if he indicated he was ok with me dishing out suitable punishment that to is acceptable in our culture and his girl would expect it. You dont have to agree or like it. All you need to do is to allow us to live our lives without your attempting to nit pick or fault find everything those who you have a dislike for.

That Six and I both defend PP is a mater of honour. for my case she and Six are friends. Gorean Honour would tend to indicate that we probable will step in and stand alongside friends who are under fire. As to the comment: "Hey maybe if you and Ironbear keep charming and defending PP, maybe you can beat her one day too.". I'm sorry to see you say that, I really thought more of you, I am sadly disappointed to see such a petty childish comment. I'd expect that from a 10 year old not a mature adult. perhaps you are trying to find some form of justification for your attacks? I dont beat people. I will punish a slave who has offended me and is my property. Perhaps you in your BDSM play like to be beaten? Sorry I dont play that game, I basically dont play. Sadly I doubt if you will ever understand that or understand the real meaning of friendship as i or indeed most Gorean Free Men see it. I do pitty you though.

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Yes, I am a Master, but not your Master..........

The Incorrigible, irrepressible, irreverent grizzly

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 5:06:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear
. Thus Gorean codes of conduct or if you prefer Gorean protocols apply.

Is this perhaps the full issue here? Six is taking his very specialized codes of conduct, trying to apply them universally, and then denouncing others as rude when they don't follow what he believes is right?

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 5:40:55 AM

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Thus Gorean codes of conduct or if you prefer Gorean protocols apply.

Which is fine when you are among a group of Goreans. But many of us don't do that and certainly you wouldn't expect it. Or would you?

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 6:46:39 AM

OsideGirl

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirSix72

this is really the proper thing to do......how could that if I was at lets take for instance IronBears home and He asked bella politely to help with serving the men and the free of the home and she said neener neener......I would let IronBear take the first round with her then I would take up round two....

Well, first off, I wouldn't say "neener, neener". But this is just your view. If someone is a guest in our house, we never make the assumption that the submissive is at our disposal for any service. We check with the Dominant first, which is what we believe to be proper.

If you directed me to help serve dinner at your house, I would look to Master to indicate whether I should or not. Until he does that, I don't move.

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 6:58:13 AM

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And frankly, unless it's a huge social event or something that requires a lot of work and attention, guests to one's home should never have to be requested to do anything other than enjoy themselves. This doesn't matter what orientation they are.

As Saffron would say "That's for me to do."

And even then, requests for help are more along the lines of "We'd really appreciate it if everyone remembered to put coats in the closet."

Now, it's also a good guest who goes to the host and says "Is there something I can assist with?" Again, this doesn't matter what orientation they are.

Then, it is the hosts responsibility to respond. Ideally, the host has prepared well enough such that they can simply thank them for their generosity but send them off to enjoy themselves. If perhaps there is a small job to be done, which will help the guest feel more comfortable and "guestlike" then you can direct them towards that and then reaffirm that they should go and enjoy themselves. Many a host's problem is created by an overmeddlesome guest!

The host should NEVER presume that someone entering their house as a guest is a worker for them and frankly if someone asked me as a guest to help them, I'd consider it very odd at the least, especially if they asked just because I was a slave.

Now, this is just my views on good hosting/guesting. Obviously if we're talking about FRIENDS and not GUESTS, then some rules can be bent and relaxed, though I always err on the side of the rules. I also believe it's rude to start cleaning up at an event until all the guests are gone or as a way to shoo out the final hanger's-on. But a lot of people disagree with that.

It's threads like this that make me understand why other threads like "is being a gentleman and dominant a falst statement" can even exist.

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 7:02:55 AM

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quote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear
. Thus Gorean codes of conduct or if you prefer Gorean protocols apply.
Is this perhaps the full issue here? Six is taking his very specialized codes of conduct, trying to apply them universally, and then denouncing others as rude when they don't follow what he believes is right?

Emeraldsllave2

i cannot say whether or not you are right; it would seem pretty silly to try and impose a code on everyone here when most of us do not know Gor protocols. At one point it seemed Master Six was asking for common courtesy and mutual respect...i'm taking that understanding and running with it, since it conforms to my view of how the posts should be made.

pinkpleasures

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 7:04:23 AM

IronBear

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quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear
. Thus Gorean codes of conduct or if you prefer Gorean protocols apply.

Is this perhaps the full issue here? Six is taking his very specialized codes of conduct, trying to apply them universally, and then denouncing others as rude when they don't follow what he believes is right?

Hi Em, To answer that one you'd really have to ask Six. My comment was pertaining to his example of he as a Gorean Master visiting my home with his slave and her refusing to help when asked (which btw would only happen after I had checked with him first unless pre-aranged). However lets say I was visiting you, I would still hold to my personal codes but ask if you wanted my slave to help etc. In other words the only Goreanisms I would display would be in perhaps directions of my girl and yet I would be carefull to keep to your protocols. If you were to visit me, I would not expect you to follow all the Gorean protocols in my home. We are flexable so non Goreans will feel just as welcome with us.

quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:

Thus Gorean codes of conduct or if you prefer Gorean protocols apply.

Which is fine when you are among a group of Goreans. But many of us don't do that and certainly you wouldn't expect it. Or would you?

Hi Katy,

I think lass, I may have answered that in my reply to ES2 above. Lets say in mixed company, I and other Goreans are likely to maintain our protocols amongst ourselves but would never expect non Goreans to follow them. Firstly I do hate having those about me feeling uncomfortable and secondly I would never be so rude. I would immagine that any of my guests would not object if my girl served me in a Goreab fashion or again in our manner asked if she may serve refreshments to you (you being generic). certainly I'd hope that on one would be embarrased. If we were visiting you we would understand that we wetre out of our environment and would seek to follow your protocols and even then i would offer the services of my girl to help serving food and drink. That to me is just good manners.

quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirSix72

this is really the proper thing to do......how could that if I was at lets take for instance IronBears home and He asked bella politely to help with serving the men and the free of the home and she said neener neener......I would let IronBear take the first round with her then I would take up round two....

Well, first off, I wouldn't say "neener, neener". But this is just your view. If someone is a guest in our house, we never make the assumption that the submissive is at our disposal for any service. We check with the Dominant first, which is what we believe to be proper.

If you directed me to help serve dinner at your house, I would look to Master to indicate whether I should or not. Until he does that, I don't move.

Hi Bobby,

Were you visiting, it would be against my concept of good manners to ask any girl not in my collar to help without asking her Master first, that is a given. In fact it would probably be my own girl who may ask you to help after I had got your Master's permission. I'd be prepared to bet though that you may well ask your Master and offer to help if you saw things were busy.

< Message edited by IronBear -- 10/25/2005 7:06:36 AM >

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The Incorrigible, irrepressible, irreverent grizzly

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 7:38:46 AM

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Just a fast reply to say that I am having great difficulty understand the posts that are written in one huge paragraph with lots of ..... between incomplete sentences.

If I cannot decipher what someone is saying, there will be miscommunications.

I'm totally lost now on the intend of several posts and the flow of this thread.

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 8:44:22 AM

Phoenxx

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quote:

ORIGINAL: brightspot

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Now you may not respect me either and that’s your right. But are you not pushing your views onto the rest of us. You hit a woman so your abusive. I’m thinking I misunderstood you.
If not, think where you are.. and understand that a Master that beats his girls ass until she is black and blue is no more having to be an abuser then a lesbian has to be a man hating bytch. You try and tell fawn that she is freed from my ever spanking her again..

Where is any of this chit coming from?
One I am not a lesbian man hating bitch, and you lowering yourself to such tactic's is juvenile. And then you equate that with beating someone black and blue and also adding ass, is that really the only place you beat your slave, Phoenxx?
I have not tried to tell fawn anything, haven't even spoken to her, if you do not want fawn to read anything that might make sense to her or because she may learn something outside the control you impliment, even though I was not speaking to you personally, maybe you better bar her from the boards too, out of your fear of her possibly becoming enlightened.

*Brightspot

Wow. I never said you were a man hating anything. If you read what I posted in the full context you will see I said “a Master that beats his girls ass until she is black and blue is no more having to be an abuser then a lesbian has to be a man hating bytch”

Perhaps I used improper English. Most likely I did. I meant that just because some Top spanks their bottom’s bottom until it is black and blue does not equate with them being abusive, anymore then being of any sexual orientation means (insert your own comment here).

That you see it as a personal attack was not my intent.

As for using fawn, I thought it would be better to use someone I know then to throw out the generic they. Regarding my fear of her becoming enlightened, I guess I better run out and cancel her courses. As an RN she is taking course to improve her abilities to do her job and her care of others. If she wants to come and read the boards she is welcome to. However she tends to avoid them due to the sheer amount of BS that happens.

Maybe you should step back before you post in anger. And ask what a person means.
Tony

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 8:48:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Just a fast reply to say that I am having great difficulty understand the posts that are written in one huge paragraph with lots of ..... between incomplete sentences.

If I cannot decipher what someone is saying, there will be miscommunications.

I'm totally lost now on the intend of several posts and the flow of this thread.

Sorry about that TammyJo. It is an old habit that I have. I had not even noticed I was using that style again. Thanks for pointing it out.

Part of it is my dislike of using the total formal style that I was taught to use. However, that is my boggle, not yours ;-)
Tony

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 9:24:21 AM

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Oh and for the record.. in CANADA you have the legal right to physically punish you children… are you going to call me an abusive father too?
Tony

First, I never called you an abusive anything .
Second, it would depend on how you punish your children.
Yes, there are many instances where I think authorities should be notified
concerning the abuse of children and I would not hesitate to call you on it.

*Brightspot

brightspot..you have no basis for threatening to call the police on Phoenixx simply because He pointed out a difference in the laws of His country and ours. PLEASE stop the hysteria and flames.

pinkpleasures

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 11:37:45 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures

quote:

quote:

Oh and for the record.. in CANADA you have the legal right to physically punish you children… are you going to call me an abusive father too?
Tony

First, I never called you an abusive anything .
Second, it would depend on how you punish your children.
Yes, there are many instances where I think authorities should be notified
concerning the abuse of children and I would not hesitate to call you on it.

*Brightspot

brightspot..you have no basis for threatening to call the police on Phoenixx simply because He pointed out a difference in the laws of His country and ours. PLEASE stop the hysteria and flames.

pinkpleasures

Hey pink, I don't think she meant it literally. Although who knows...

If she did, the phone number is 911 … LOL

My ex wife tried that and did it back fire on her. Like Six, I too kicked my ex out and kept out daughters. And that should tell you something right there. A male, in this day and age who can actually be trusted with the care and control of preteen children, let alone girls.

It is amazing how a comment take the wrong way, or expressed poorly can turn into a “situation”. I have done it from both sides. Now I try to understand the person before I tear them a new hole. Well most times. LOL

When you get to know someone you often find there are enough things you can agree on that the points you differ on are not as big as they seemed. And sometimes you find it’s best to play in a different sandbox then they play in.

*here pretty pink, you can use my shovel and pail* ;-)
Tony

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RE: The your not my Dom syndrome - 10/25/2005 11:52:36 AM

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the recidivism rate, unfortunately is 6 times they come and go before they leave for good. I know, work in the field now, after surviving it.

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