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RE: slave a slave with out a Master - 8/14/2005 4:23:13 PM

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Since this is (and some are not going to agree) a fantasy based way of living ?
since WHEN is this a fantasy ? I have spent my life as a Master. I have Mastered Business, finance, my home/married life only to hear its a FANTASY ? sorry can't agree with this statement it might be a fantasy to those that play on line but its not to those that LIVE the life

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RE: slave a slave with out a Master - 8/14/2005 5:45:02 PM

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Have to agree with you JWINGS. It is a fantasy to some and to others it is a way of living. Flying to Paris for the weekend is a fantasy for me, but I hear that Donald Trump actually does this.

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RE: slave a slave with out a Master - 8/15/2005 8:27:52 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JWINGS

since WHEN is this a fantasy ? I have spent my life as a Master. I have Mastered Business, finance, my home/married life only to hear its a FANTASY ? sorry can't agree with this statement it might be a fantasy to those that play on line but its not to those that LIVE the life

Uhmmm...can you read? I said "fantasy-based." When you have a rape scene, are they being raped? When someone is in bondage or being beaten/whipped/whatever, do they not (usually) have a safe word? Can the "slave" not walk away whenever they want to? Unless you're in an Anne Rice novel, 99% of this is psychological. Relax....everything is NOT about you.

I love it when people think they are the true "master" or "slave"...might as well be a right-wing fundamentalist, to hear some people "explain" the true meaning of dominance, submission, bdsm, D/s..whatever.

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RE: slave a slave with out a Master - 8/15/2005 10:04:22 AM

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Uhmmm...can you read? I said "fantasy-based." When you have a rape scene, are they being raped? When someone is in bondage or being beaten/whipped/whatever, do they not (usually) have a safe word? Can the "slave" not walk away whenever they want to? Unless you're in an Anne Rice novel, 99% of this is psychological.

I guess if "rape scenes and being beaten/whipped/whatever" is what someone considers "living the lifestyle", then I can almost see your point about fantasy-based. Kind of. From my perspective, playing is such a small aspect of my life that it doesn't permeate the other aspects of it anymore than sex would in any other type of relationship.

However, there are other aspects of our (our meaning myself and those I am involved with) lifestyle that make the dynamic all encompassing...as in the choice of whether or not I work...how much, if any of the money I earn I get to see...how things will be done if he cares to concern himself with something in particular, etc. It is these things that permeate my life.

There are people in relationships that they are not able to walk away from, for whatever reason, and a great number of others who don't have a safeword. I have no intention of hijacking this thread and turning it into a discussion about whether or not someone can/could/would/should leave, but since you did bring it up in your response, I thought I would point that out. Psychological bonds can often be much stronger than physical bonds.

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I love it when people think they are the true "master" or "slave"...might as well be a right-wing fundamentalist, to hear some people "explain" the true meaning of dominance, submission, bdsm, D/s..whatever.

IMHO, there is no "true" meaning of dominance, submission, etc., except within the context of what we choose for ourselves. I can understand your being put off by teapaw's position....I would have been myself if someone presumed that everyone else follows their protocol and expected me to do the same. At the same time, I can't accept that my life is fantasy based. If it were, I think I would choose an island life fantasy

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RE: slave a slave with out a Master - 8/15/2005 10:06:20 AM

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Just curious...is a slave a slave with out a Master?

guess it goes without saying that it all depends on who you ask.....

in the before time, when this slave knew absolutely nothing about wiitwd, she would have argued that a slave must have an owner--otherwise who are they a slave to? after scratching the surface of wiitwd for almost 4 years, this slave sees slaves everywhere, although they don't see it or state it as such and also sees those claiming to be slaves, yet are slave to none but their own self-interest. this slave would see two things as being important to divining an answer for your question:

First, define slave. this slave thinks most here could go on endlessly debating that definition to the point of never reaching a consensus. It is one of those words that takes up 2 pages in Webster's due to all the different "accepted use" definitions. One's own definition, and the definition of those in close relationship to you, would be the most important ones.

Second, perception. Often, people are so out of touch with themselves they go to friends, therapists or clergy to get a perception of themselves that they can't see and a remedy to help them to live with it, because their own self-truths are just too difficult to bear or in some cases even realize. As soon as their lives start to suffer for it, they go looking for relief--sometimes it is even court ordered, hence the burden on social services, the judicial system and correctional institutions...but that's another thread altogether. It isn't that hard, just by reading the posts and replies from some here, to get an idea of the wide variety of perception that exists with regards to the difference in stating one's position in a relationship, or in life itself as "a submissive" or "a slave".

this slave's response to your question would be yes, one can be a slave to a Master they don't even recognize and also, one can emphatically declare they are a slave and not possess a single "slave" trait or quality, in active service or not.

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RE: slave a slave with out a Master - 8/15/2005 8:32:52 PM

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Most of this life is some kind of fantasy or some kind of fantasy basis.

Its amazing to see the number of people that believe its reality based instead of fantasy.

I have been introduced to Lord Dragon and Slave Pixie and their abode the Castle of Solitude.''

Which usually involves Bob the UPS guy, his wife sara and their 3 bedroom home that is having the landscaping re-done.

The thing is, BDSM is whatever 2 people choose to make it (or more than 2 if the situation is right)...but reality will always intrude. Bills have to be paid, I have to take a break to hit the toilet., sometimes the ropes bunch at a bad angle, or the cuffs are too tight. My fantasies rarely have whomever I am abusing so nicely....calling a safe word, or getting interrupted when the phoen rings.

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RE: slave a slave with out a Master - 8/17/2005 5:46:44 PM

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the way I see it, a slave (who knows who and what she is, without any pretenses) is exactly that, whether she is owned or not. I have to agree that we all rush to put our marks of approval or disapproval on people's thoughts, feelings, ways of being within this lifestyle. Until there is some rule book that quantifies in no uncertain terms what the difference is between a slave and a submissive, call yourself what you truly are. If someone disagrees with it, that is their right. We all have our opinions, and they clash with each other on occasion (sometimes violently).

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RE: slave a slave with out a Master - 8/23/2005 5:14:41 AM

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LMAO
Excuse me, but YOU were not the prompt to this post. PLease review the dates of this post (7/22) verses the dates of your emails (7/25) to me.
The word slave donates ownership. If you make the choice to email me I will tell you this, in my private email I can state anything I FEEL is correct in MY life.
"Sumissives are slaves that have not found masters yet, and when they get a master, they become slaves." That is what I said.
I may be slave but since I am not YOUR slave to need not be submissive to you therefore I need not be submissive to you in anyway.

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ORIGINAL: twistedcouple

ACtually, I am the one that probably prompted her to write this little schpiel.

When told that lots of people have Slave in their name and are not owned the reply was "They are wrong, and I have corrected several" (Direct quote).
She also informed me of this little progression that I was unaware of:

Sumissives are slaves that have not found masters yet, and when they get a master, they become slaves.

People will title themselves they way they wish to. Some identify with being slave, even without a master.

There is something to be said about wearing the title Slave with pride. There is another to wear it with arrogance.

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RE: slave a slave with out a Master - 8/23/2005 5:25:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

guess it goes without saying that it all depends on who you ask.....

I posted this to get others perspective, I was very curious about others perspective in this topic which is why I posted it in the first place. I just love the different opinions and views. :)

I was not really trying to debate the sub verses slave debate. Just the thought that a slave is slave to someone or something, IMO of course.

Thank you for your thoughts on this...:)
Pamela