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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/16/2005 5:06:52 PM   
darkangel


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IMO....I believe its His way of population control.


Is there a biblical or prophecy reference, or is it just your opinion? I know my words look a terrible statement - it really isnt meant to be. Sometimes writing words and questions without voice or facial inflection is such a pain. It is a sincere question.

I have contemplated the thought, but eventually reasoned that it just isn't Gods way. He doesn't want to control people in that way because that just completely removes freedom and choice.

As for diseases, those are, again part of a naturally evolving planet and many illness' are self or man inflicted - either directly or indirectly via ignorance.

Everyone sees a bad act and assumes its Gods Wrath, or that Hes killing - no one ever sees a lesson to learn from - always they assume Gods terrible mistake. It's a complete cop out.

I shall turn the tables - God is seen as a crutch for the weak... something to cling to, that final stand for people who can't stand alone. Well I say, bugger that - Gods just a big ole crutch for those who don't want to take responsibility for their actions and have a need to find someone else to blame...?

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/20/2005 3:58:51 AM   
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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/20/2005 2:01:41 PM   
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I suggest looking at a philosopher I have great respect for. He posts a column and here is a link to some archives of his articles. Very clear thinker and communicator.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20050920.shtml

His articles on the family values, specifically (First fight yourself, then society) speak directly about the effects on society when the family values are attacked as they are currently being done by the Leftist activists.

I would expand this just a bit and include the effects on society when society attacks the relationship with our Maker. This does much to explain God's options when what He wants is to build and grow relationship with us.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/20/2005 6:35:47 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Prager appears to be a right-handed prick...........
I am a sinistra, but that is relative..........

this is straw man to the last degree........
they are the left (anything that idiots don't agree with)
they are the right (those with the mainstream and wonderful values)
fuck that gladhand asswipe

So the point of this is exactly what the point of all of it is.
Left/Right is not a division less than God/Devil


Reality is not that simple.

While it is convenient to to say that if you are not for the dumbass idiology of Bush (note the texture), you must be against it, or as they have said in time immemorial you are for us or against us.......

There exist other realms than holy wars.

Rambling? No.



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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/20/2005 11:22:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Prager appears to be a right-handed prick...........
I am a sinistra, but that is relative..........

this is straw man to the last degree........
they are the left (anything that idiots don't agree with)
they are the right (those with the mainstream and wonderful values)
fuck that gladhand asswipe

So the point of this is exactly what the point of all of it is.
Left/Right is not a division less than God/Devil


Reality is not that simple.

While it is convenient to to say that if you are not for the dumbass idiology of Bush (note the texture), you must be against it, or as they have said in time immemorial you are for us or against us.......

There exist other realms than holy wars.

Rambling? No.



I'm still trying to figure out how to operate this feature, bear with me.

I referred to Mr. Prager specifically for his ability to clearly state defined act and consequence. Guess he strikes a tender nerve with you. Yes he is right/conservative, this does not automatically mean idiot as you suggest. I don't believe you have a point but an agenda to shoot down any conservative voice. The only thing I get out of your post is name calling and blind criticism. If you have a refutation of my overall point, I'd like to read it.

Otherwise start a new thread and I'll be happy to discuss Right/Left idiologies and their consequences there. The discussion here is centered around Acts of God. Since Dennis deals with these issues consistantly, I thought I'd offer his articles for perusing to add insight to the subject matter here. Faith, attributes of God, and our perception of His acts in the light of information from the different faith systems and writings as well as what we can observe of Him.

The division you speak of (Left/Right less than God/devil) is true enough I guess. But not a point worth our time. The division is. We can overcome it if we want to. That won't be accomplished with namecalling and invalidating the discussion by dismissing the author as idealogue. You are more an idealogue than he. He at least represents his ideas with thought out conclusions.

The point I made is our behavior with our Creator has immediate and eternal consequences. Those consequences are societal as well as personal. As a man, tribe, nation, and as a geneological line. We are born in sin, the sin of our fathers are visited on the family line to the third and fourth generation. The punishment falls on the child of a sinner not because God wants to hurt innocent children but because we, in our freedom to choose, (free will) chose to do what is wrong and bad for us. That wrong hurts the sinner, his family, his tribe, and his nation.

Eventually, God must deal with us in terrible wrath to forstall our self destruction. The wrath is held as long as possible to give the sinner the chance to change his behavior patterns. God hopes. He knows all from the beginning to the end, but He waits as long as He can to give as many as possible that opportunity. Then the wrath falls on us all. Children will learn the behavior patterns of the parents and on and on until there is no hope left. So children suffer with the rest of us. The rain falls on the evil and the righteous. This means we receive His blessing and/or curses as a society.

My fervent hope for you is peace, not as the world knows peace, but the peace that comes with knowing you are ok with your Maker. This peace remains no matter what goes on in the world. You cannot be shaken from this peace when you know you will be in His favor in the end.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/21/2005 10:20:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		i dunno whether Prager is a rightist just from reading what he wrote; people define that for themselves to the point where it loses meaning. i cannot count how many people have told me they are liberal conservatives. i cannot fault them; but to me it sounds likes an oxymoron.

As for what Prager wrote; he's not alone. Many people believe the more government does, the less the people do. They point to thr welfare system as an example. In it's most simplistic, they argue women bear more kids to increase their allotment. Ergo, smaller allotments or none at all for additional kids will stem the tide. This has always seemed stupid to me; i find the problem with the welfare system is the workers. All people tend to act in their own best interests, and for government workers, this means more laws and regulations, and thus more pay and more positions. This does not mean government must set objective standards and meet them; they act with impunity since most voters cannot see the expansion.

As for claiming to be conservative, to me that means the fewest possible laws, especially federal ones, and the absolute protection from intrusion into our homes, barring child abuse. That is not at all what it means to the religious right, who want to impose their values on everyone.

So, when assigning labels like "left" and "right" i think it helps to also disclose which version one means.

pinkpleasures

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/21/2005 2:42:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I understand what you mean, but most people who call themselves "conservatives" don't have that agenda. (I think in principle some of them might agree that it means "the fewest possible laws," but in practice that's hardly the case.)

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ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures

As for claiming to be conservative, to me that means the fewest possible laws, especially federal ones, and the absolute protection from intrusion into our homes, barring child abuse. That is not at all what it means to the religious right, who want to impose their values on everyone.


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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/21/2005 3:30:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's my point, Lam...people call themselves all sorts of things but we do not agree within our own political party what the lable means.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 9/21/2005 6:07:22 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		This is another significant way in which the Judeo-Christian value system differs from the dominant value system -- that of the Left -- in the contemporary West. Dennis Prager from the link.

He is an ignorant and worthless prick to say stupid shit like that. Not worth an aughts worth of further bother. Anyone can be enamored by dumbasses, thats why we have CNN........

Yet perhaps you do not see that as inflammatory and my intimating that he is an idiot is seen as inflammatory. Perhaps its a lack of Judeo-Christian values, such as the crusades, the inquisition, the aiding and abetting of the holocust, the easter bunny and santa, the placid condonment of pedastery and the wholesale slaughtering of Scandinavian heathen towns in the name of jehovah; why bother they were headed for hell anyway...is it a timing thing or what? That's before I answer that I will talk about what I please on any thread I please. If you start a left/right one I may talk on that, and it may not be about lefthandedness and righthandedness or any other fucking subject.

End of refutation.





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