boynicholas
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Actually, hypnosis is very occasionally used as a diagnostic aide when one is trying to distinguish true epileptic seizures from psychogenic seizures. (Which btw, doesn't necessarily imply intent to 'fake a seizure.' Psychogenic seizures can have a complex underlying psycho-pathology.) However, while hypnosis and hypnotic suggestion can and do precipitate psychogenic seizures, they will not cause a seizure in someone who has true epileptic seizures. (Though to complicate matters, there are some epileptics who have true seizures and pseudoseizures.)
So you certainly may hear about someone who had a seizure caused by hypnosis, but if that were the case, I'd lay dollars to donuts it was a psychogenic seizure. And by virtue of the fact that it sometimes takes provocative diagnostic hocus-pocus like this on the part of neurologists to determine whether a seizure is a true epileptic fit, you can safely assume that they can be pretty convincing.
With regard to chloroform, you have got to be kidding, right? Sorry, but that's nutso. I am all for RACK, but there are a lot better ways to do it. First off, chloroform can and does cause ventricular fibrillation. Second, even in the hands of (admittedly historical) anesthesiologists it caused death of the patient in about 1/4000 uses.
I wouldn't use that on my cat.
Now, if you want to do some sort of 'sedate and rape' kinda thing, the first thing you have to know is this is not without risk... you can cause serious injury and death with almost any drug. But, if done with a little precaution, it is probably safer than a lot of sexual activities that people partake in. And if you are going to do it anyway, I am all about harm reduction – making sure people do what they may choose in the safest way possible.
So, step one: get American Heart Association CPR certified. Not because CPR saves lives (much)... but because in this instance, artificial respiration (mouth to mouth) actually might. The biggest cause of death in cases of over sedation is respiratory arrest. Breathing is a mechanical function that can be temporarily performed by someone else for you. If you don't know how to do AR and you do this stuff, you are a total nutball who should not be trusted with string, much less a person's health and welfare.
Step two: have a back-up plan. Say your little submissive does get into trouble, what are you going to do? Where is the phone? Are you 10 miles in the back-woods? Are you going to have to choose between staying with your partner or finding the cell? Gee... poor planning there dumbass. So don't be a dumbass.
Step three: have a young healthy partner who has never had any problems with anesthesia or sedation (if they've had 'em before.) No chronic medical problems. Nuff said. Sorry if you are diabetic or asthmatic. No fun for you. (On that same note, that includes people who meet the medical definition of obese. Chunky is OK, big thick necked person who has a BMI of 30+... nope. Wouldn't do it.)
Step four: have a submissive who has not eaten anything solid in 6 hours, liquid in 2. Not only do most sedative agents cause respiratory depression, they make ya puke too. And having sucked chili and corn-dogs outta someone's trachea, I can tell you, you really don't want a full stomach at these times.
Step five: be sober and clear headed yourself. Would you drive a car while drinking? No? Why not? Might not be 100% in control of yourself and hurt someone... same here.
Step six: Start low and go slow. I do the same thing when I sedate someone to put their shoulder back in place. I start with a low dose of a medicine and see what happens. I can always add more, but sucking it out after its in 'em is not where you want to be. So if someone is naive with a medicine, start with a low end dose and see what happens.
Now for medicines to pick... depends on what you want...
Amnestic? (Not remembering the event, but probably awake during.) Try a benzodiazepine, like valium or ativan. Ativan is the shortest acting of the common oral ones. Its a controlled substance though, so you can only get it through a licensed practitioner. If you got a kinky doc you know, try them.
Cheap easy and legal? Try alcohol. You can add benadryl 50 mg if you want a little more sedation. Though I would not go with high volume (like beer or wine) by mouth as you will likely get puking. If you want it to go in fast, enemas do it well, but this is sometimes too effective and causes too much or too rapid uptake. So if you want to go in the rectum, try first with the equivalent of 2 glasses of wine and see how that much effects your submissive before you try anything else.
I would avoid the opoids, (percocet, vicodin, mepergan etc) because for the amount of sedation you get, you get a whole lotta respiratory depression.
Chloral Hydrate is actually pretty safe by mouth or per rectum, but again, you have to have a kinky prescribing provider (as this, like the benzos is schedule IV.) If you mix CH with alcohol (I don't advise this, kids!) it is actually the proverbial 'Mickey Finn.'
Another more relatively easy and available sedative is phenergan. Not scheduled, pretty safe, and some people get dramatic sedation (and even amnesia) with phenergan.
If you find a source for GHB.... don't take it. It can be profoundly and deadly oversedating.
And lastly, I am a doctor, but I am also some yutz you read posting on some internet forum.... think about it. Know what you are doing first, find a sympathetic kink-aware doctor who will talk with you about it. Besides, if nothing else, with the exception of the benadryl and booze, you can't get those without a providers rx.
Nick
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