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meanwhile, back in iraq - 5/19/2004 7:06:58 PM

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i can't get the pictures of Nicholas Berg out from behind my eyes. what do you think he was doing there? do you think he had a death wish? a martyr complex? he was Jewish, so probably not the latter. but what was he thinking?

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RE: meanwhile, back in iraq - 5/19/2004 7:46:13 PM

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Did you see the beheading Untamed?

One would think his family would speak up loud if he was there looking for work.

I'd like to think he was anyway. The whole password thing though is a bit odd.

If my pc was hacked..what are the odds it would be a terrorist hacking it? I think slim to none.

I don't think we will ever know the truth.

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RE: meanwhile, back in iraq - 5/19/2004 8:04:23 PM

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tell me about this PC hacking, i hadn't heard about it until a friend mentioned it tonight. she said investigators found some email from him to a terrorist group but then discounted it?

and no, i didnt see the video. but someone who did described it to me and that was almost as bad.

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RE: meanwhile, back in iraq - 5/19/2004 8:52:28 PM

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tell me about this PC hacking, i hadn't heard about it until a friend mentioned it tonight. she said investigators found some email from him to a terrorist group but then discounted it?

and no, i didnt see the video. but someone who did described it to me and that was almost as bad.

OK, you can find an article by following this link.

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/gregory.php

also if you dare. I do mean dare..you can find the beheading on ogrish.com

Its much poorer quality than what we seen on television. You really have to watch close to make things out. To me that is a good thing that you can't see every detail. The assassin sort of is in front of the camera a lot.

Apparently sometime I think last year his pc was hacked. Anyway..it was that terrorist who hacked it alledegly of course. Which..since he has terrorist contacts it is'nt a wonder why they would detain him in iraq. Yet, alledegly it was all a mix up with the hacking and all.

It's another Kennedy type cover up. I don't feel we will ever know the truth. I just hope for his parents they find some peace in it all somehow.

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RE: meanwhile, back in iraq - 5/19/2004 9:38:48 PM

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Apparently sometime I think last year his pc was hacked. Anyway..it was that terrorist who hacked it alledegly of course. Which..since he has terrorist contacts it is'nt a wonder why they would detain him in iraq. Yet, alledegly it was all a mix up with the hacking and all.

Nick Berg's PC was never hacked. Sometime last year, he was on a bus with his laptop and wireless connection, and the passenger next to him asked if he could use the laptop to send and e-mail. Nick did not know the passenger, but thought it would not hurt anything, and would actually help a stranger, and fellow passenger. How the US detained Nick is cloudy, but during their questioning of him and examining his laptop, they found the sent e-mail by the fellow passenger... who in actuality was an Al Quida operative. No other connection with the Al Quida operative was ever established, other than the one bus ride last year.

It was after his release from US detention and questioning that he was kidnapped and subsequently executed... ironically by the same radical faction with Al Quida links that he was questioned of having any relationship or association with during US detention.

From all the information that has surfaced, it appears to be on the order of a true real life shakespearian trajedy. All the barracks lawyer speculation and scuttlebutt is just that... Nick Berg was quite innocent of any involvement with Terrorists... other than the one bus ride last year.

What was he doing there? He was an independent contractor, working contractual jobs to rebuild the communications infrastructure in Iraq... specifically communications towers and respective coaxial cabling and waveguide transmission lines feeding the antennas mounted atop the towers. I think he had been in the Middle East for over a couple years, but only in Iraq since the end of formal hostilities was announced.

Whatever the peculiars, he was a nice hard working guy... who was in the wrong place at the right time. Had a scapegoat not been needed to allegedly avenge the treatment of Iraqi detainees, Nick Berg would probably still be working the contracted comm tower jobs he went to Iraq to bid on, and work to their completion.

No conspiracy... no coverup... just plain irony, with a extremely sharp bite!

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RE: meanwhile, back in iraq - 5/19/2004 11:19:52 PM

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I had heard that he was not working, but was looking for work. There are so many different things being said, but one thing is certain. He was a dead man as soon as he was kidnapped by Al Queda. He was Jewish, and as was the case with Daniel Pearl, he was killed because of that. I am curious why that fact is downplayed in both cases.

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RE: meanwhile, back in iraq - 5/20/2004 1:38:46 AM

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Here's a blog type site (interactive) where the conspiracy theory is in high gear:

Marc Perkel Who Dunnit Rant Blog

Marc has taken great efforts to convince readers that the US killed Nick Berg, at the Abu Gharib prison... as a distractionary measure to the detainee treatment issue.

One thing to note about Iraq at the present, is that there are some 100,000 or so former POW's that had surrendered to the Coalition Forces during hostilities engagements. What happened to all these piss-poor soldiers? They were sent home if they promised not to fight any more, and you can bet your lunch money many were jumping from the temporary POW camps to the ranks of the various militias running amok all over Iraq. They like to use artillery shells as "road-side bombs", and one was discovered a few days ago that was made from an artillery shell containing the nerve agent Seran. It was diffused, and never exploded. Had it been detonated, the Saran agent would probably have killed scores of innocent civilians. It was tested for nerve agents after the explosive ordinace disposal (EOD) guys all were stricken with Saran nerve agent exposure symptoms.

Yes, Seran nerve agent is considered as a weapon of mass destruction (WMD), and this basically means there are Iraqi and/or Al Queda fanatics and lunatics hauling nerve agent artillery shells around in the back of their 4-wheel drive Nissan pickup trucks, setting them up next to roadways with the intent of taking out 5-6 US military members driving convoy and resupply trucks... and who knows how many of their local innocent citizens???

Talk about target fixation... but that's part of their MO, screw any bystanders!

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RE: meanwhile, back in iraq - 5/20/2004 1:51:41 PM

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RE: meanwhile, back in iraq - 5/20/2004 4:14:31 PM

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Wireless connection on a bus? How many terrorists have I come across in my daily life?
Also the US claims they never had him in custody. What would it really matter if they did or they did'nt?

I just hope the parents can find some peace someday.

Wireless connections are just like cell phones, and will work anywhere a cell phone works usually... buses, trains, planes, ships, cars... anywhere in many cases. Just as "text messaging" and "digital pictures" are sent to/from cell phones, wireless internet connections work very similarly.

Limiting factors would be location restrictions, such as the way domestic airlines usually don't allow personal electronics that convert freqiencies (heterodyning) to be used during flights. Many AM/FM radios use heterodyning as a part of demodulation, to convert the AM or FM band spectrum frequencies to a lower "common" frequency by mixing it with a local oscillator signal, and the resultant sum signal is lower frequency and the same demodulator can be used for all frequencies within the AM or FM frequency bands. This is an analog radio frequency (RF) process.

Digital encoding uses different modulation techniques with the RF carrier signal, and does not require frequency conversion or mixing. There are no undesired harmonics generated up and down the frequency band as analog processes generate.

The interference problem is not the actual RF carrier frequency, it's the odd and even harmonic frequencies generated above and below the RF carrier signal during mixing for demodulation that can cause interference with flight controls and navigation equipment on board airliners.

Buses don't have electronic flight controls, or navigation transponders and receivers which are affected by harmonic frequencies. The presence of a harmonic frequency induces errors in the calculations of position, altitude, and bearing.

The US Dept of Transportation (DOT) has not forbid personal electronics (analog or digital), but the Federal Aviation Agency (FAA) mandated restrictions for certain personal electronics use onboard commercial jets. Some will let you use them while on the ground, but discontinue their use while airborne, and some will allow laptop computer use with onboard wireless access. The FAA determined a few crashes were the result of induced errors, and issued their mandate.

Many Hospitals also forbid the use of all personal electronic equipment, even cell phones in certain Critical Care wards.

Ever wonder why public locations with Microwave ovens in use are required to have a warning for "pacemaker" patients? It's because the harmonics generated by the Microwave's high frequency Magnetron Tube amplifier can interfere with the pacemaker's operation.

Yes, wireless internet on a bus. As long as the bus is within cell phone tower distance, the wireless connection will work, if it is not forbidden to use it.

BTW, the Al Queda operative was allegedly none other than Masacarus Marcoui (the alleged 15th 911 hijacker), or whatever his name is... the one that has been held is US custody since before 911, the one who has been acting as his own lawyer. Yes, that means the e-mail was sent prior to 911, which means Nick Berg was in the Middle East prior to 09/11/2001, over 2½ years ago.

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