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RE: poly with hetero females? - 4/22/2005 12:07:01 PM   
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That said, and with the natural assumption that poly Doms would be the same as the others I've spoken with, nope, I've never considered the possibilty that being bi wouldn't be required of me.. After reading some of the boards here, I may be wrong about that, I don't know. Would suspect that it would be like anything else, situation dependent.


Oh goodness...there is no rule book that says everyone has to be involved with each other. Actually, most of the poly relationships I know are V's where there is one person who is the focal for the other two....the other two not being involved with each others. V's are probably the most common dynamic in poly relationships...linear poly relationships versus family type relationships.


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RE: poly with hetero females? - 4/22/2005 12:48:36 PM   
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I'll be honest and admit that I have the barest working knowledge of poly since it isn't of particular interest to me. And I'll go on to say that, but for the fact that I'm home sick with the flu and curious by nature, I wouldn't have been browing the poly section today.

But since I DID stumble across it here I find it interesting that two serving one independently is the most common form of poly. Wouldn't have guessed that given the interactions I've had with the Doms I've encountered.

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RE: poly with hetero females? - 4/22/2005 1:07:33 PM   
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Most doms WANT a harem type thing where all the girls are giggly and naked with eachother all day and just need that wonderful man to step in and make life wonderful.

Poly relationships that WORK long term have people with independent relationships with eachother, some which connect on some levels and some which don't.

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RE: poly with hetero females? - 4/22/2005 1:54:04 PM   
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Grrrr on my spelling!! Sorry folks, I'm running a lowgrade fever today.

Ok, I think I get this better now. Maybe. Umm am VERY curious by nature so now I just have to ask more questions.

So are most subs or slaves or is it an even mixture?

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RE: poly with hetero females? - 4/22/2005 4:57:29 PM   
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Bisexual Domina seeking multiple submissives/slaves of both genders... so I guess that would just make me greedy.

I've given this quite a bit of thought. I'm up front with everyone who strikes up conversation with me if they seem intent on building some sort of relationship.

Yes. I'll have others.
No. You don't have to interact with them sexually.
Yes. You must be civil/polite/good natured toward them.
No. I won't randomly bring in people after short periods of time.
Yes. You do need approval to play with the others under my care.
No. They cannot push or cajole you into a scene.

The list goes on and on and on... I know what I want. And if my requirements and desires do not mesh with the requirements/desires of the person I'm talking with I wish them well, lots of luck and move on.

Likewise if they deduce that they would be happier with someone else I would hope that they communicate openly with me about their feelings.

I met a switch gentleman on this site quite a while ago and have been talking to him since late January. He and I have at the very least exchanged a number of sentences every day since he first emailed me on the other side.

Prior to discussions with me he hadn't really pondered poly relationships much. I respect that he may wish to explore his Dominant side... however it shan't be with me should he and I commit ourselves to one another. If he wants to explore that aspect of his personality and finds a suitable female submissive/slave that interests both him and I then we'll entertain that idea when the time comes.

However he and I are still getting to know one another. We're still learning more about each other. And we seem to have shut down out of play partner mode regarding other people. We'd rather take this one step at a time and see where it may lead.

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RE: poly with hetero females? - 6/13/2005 12:30:35 AM   
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Are there slaves who are interested in polygyny who are heterosexual? Or slaves who would entertain becoming a member of a poly family if they knew they wouldn't be required to go against their sexual nature/preference?


i realize you are pointing to the females here...but
as a male slave? yes! i am hetero..and hopefully my new Goddess will take me next week.
and it is poly..more than 1 in the house..
now if She asks me to perform bi..it's okay. doing it does not MAKE me bi or gay.

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RE: poly with hetero females? - 6/13/2005 2:38:52 PM   
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Now I'm as opposed to labels as the next guy, but I have a hard time digesting the claim that if you "perform bi" for your girlfriend, that doesn't make you bi. Someone who is raped or forced to perform sex acts in order to survive--OK, in situations like that I can understand that a man who has sex with another man isn't necessarily bi or gay. But just to please a lover? That makes me wonder.

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now if She asks me to perform bi..it's okay. doing it does not MAKE me bi or gay.


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RE: poly with hetero females? - 6/13/2005 3:06:22 PM   
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Again, I would say they should add heteroflexible into the mix. I think it would be more accurate for some of us <g>


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RE: poly with hetero females? - 6/13/2005 5:19:51 PM   
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i guess i fall into the category of sometimes poly, always bi. i don't see being bisexual as a part of BDSM. Sexuality is just another alternative lifestyle for me. i am often attracted to females when they are vanilla. it often doesnt have anything to do with whether they are a top or a bottom, dominant or submissive, sadist or masochist.

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RE: poly with hetero females? - 6/14/2005 9:31:35 AM   
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Dear Master King of Trio,

I have been reading the poly forums here, and elsewhere, to try to gain some personal clarity and guidance into poly (and all that entails), and have found that the words of many, if not necessarily changing who I feel I am, in terms of poly or bi… have certainly helped me to find more of an understanding of others ideas. Empathy can be a very helpful tool for a slave trying to find beauty in things she struggles with.

I am monogamous and I am heterosexual…choice (d), I believe, one we have not really heard much about in terms of this particular thread.

I am also owned by one who is poly and, naturally, pursues that. His other girl is also poly and is bisexual, so in this, I can only try to speak from my perspective within this triad.

I think a lot of people, and even myself at one very dark point, will have trouble understanding how that can possibly work out...for it does not mean that, due to my sexual orientation, she will only serve him (in terms of sexual service), and I will only serve him (in terms of sexual service), and that we will not be ‘required’ to also be intimate together for his pleasure. In fact, that is quite simply 'just understood' in the nature of who we are and our relationship to him.

I think the thing to remember here, is that before I identify myself as anything else, I identify myself as his. I am his property. I am his slave, and that to me comes before anything else. That was my choice, or as I frequently refer to it, my ‘final choice.’

This might sound terribly glib and idealistic and oh so easy, slipping off my tongue… But there has passed a long night of the soul for me to get here, just to this point, and even in that, I still have much further yet to go.


"Can a slave be both monogamous and heterosexual and still be in a non-asexual (in terms of the two women) poly relationship?"


I would have to say, yes.

The crux of that question, for me, is the word slave; and with that one word, the question itself will have become rather moot, for it is only in a non M/s situation where free will is present enough to really allow for the question to even exist. As one who is owned, I ask, “How can she NOT if she is truly enslaved? When did those choices of self return to her?” They can only return in the return of the collar, both literally and figuratively speaking. A slave can and will be what it pleases her master for her to be. If she has made her last choice wisely (though I would debate whether even in that, it is a choice so much as an awakening, and a recognition of self, of who and what you really are and were always meant to be, and to whom…perhaps the meat for another post for debate somewhere...), then she has nothing to fear from where he will guide her, though surely the road will be rocky and not without its pains and struggles.

If she can be and is truly owned, right down to the last bit of her, to a degree where it becomes the focal point of her being… then for her, it is not what or who she is in regards to her sexual orientation or personal wishes, but rather, what her Master desires… for what ever reasons or pleasures he may wish to pursue. You, as slave, may well desire for things to be a specific way in your heart, ways which may or may not always coincide with the way you are being lead by him. That is human nature. But for she who is honestly and totally surrendered, there is no choice that will bring you any peace, but to bring him pleasure. There is no hope, but to love him, fully, openly and completely. There is no other way, but the one which he leads you down, twists, turns, rocks, bumps and all. For really, what’s worth remembering of that journey, is only that he led you through it. And so in all of it, be it an ease or struggle (as, for certain some of the paths he will take you down will be easy and some very difficult), she will find rest in knowing that he is with her and guiding her, and will know that it she is truly lucky for that… especially for that.


Perhaps this ramble this might shed some light for those pondering option (d).


Very thankfully his,

puella


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RE: poly with hetero females? - 6/21/2005 8:03:14 AM   
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I keep seeing the same things here in these forums as I have most everywhere else I go. timorous and puella.. why are you girls being doormats?

Over and over you see people alligning themselves with the wrong ones and for what reasons? If you are not what the dominant seeks, trying to change yourself into that is a hopeless endeavor which will end up in great pain and loss, and most of it will probably be felt by the slaves.

Why is a responsible Dominant not seeing that devotion to the point of disfigurment or harm, emotionally or otherwise, is not healthy and not necessary?

There are people out there fo who YOU will please by being you, not by trying change yourself into something more closely resembling what He or She truly wants. This sort of self sacrafice, though touching, is really only destined to end up in emotional tragedy.

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RE: poly with hetero females? - 6/22/2005 9:07:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DominaBea

I keep seeing the same things here in these forums as I have most everywhere else I go. timorous and puella.. why are you girls being doormats?

Over and over you see people alligning themselves with the wrong ones and for what reasons? If you are not what the dominant seeks, trying to change yourself into that is a hopeless endeavor which will end up in great pain and loss, and most of it will probably be felt by the slaves.

Why is a responsible Dominant not seeing that devotion to the point of disfigurment or harm, emotionally or otherwise, is not healthy and not necessary?

There are people out there fo who YOU will please by being you, not by trying change yourself into something more closely resembling what He or She truly wants. This sort of self sacrafice, though touching, is really only destined to end up in emotional tragedy.


I would respectfully disagree. Life IS change and growth. None of us, I think are the same egocentric bundles of kinetic energy that we were as toddlers and in our dotages will most likely be far removed from who we are today. Guiding toy wisely in the journey is my responsibility. Refusing to challenge her preconceptions, biases and inhibitions promotes stagnation.
In addition, per lengthy discussions held over the last year, she has a NEED to know that I will use her as I see fit and she trusts me to do so in ways that will not be permanently damaging. I really think it is presumptuous for someone to judge another's decisions based on so little knowledge of the larger situation, as you have done in your response to timorous and puella.
I have played recently with a good friend that is strictly hetrosexual and although she was uncomfortable being nude in front of toy, it was not damaging, but rather liberating for her to discover she could overcome her inhibitions and be played with in front of another woman. I don't suggest that forced bi-sexuality is always advisable but simply proffer the position that it is NOT necessarily damaging for all women (or men either). Each individual must be addressed AS an individual. Sweeping generalizations are not helpful to the larger discussion.
Respectfully,
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RE: poly with hetero females? - 6/23/2005 6:27:20 AM   
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I agree with your train of thought here.
I am a training collared sub as I just found myself in 2/05. In all the books I've read on my new life’s joy it states a sub should train and find her way under several Masters during her discovery period. To limit one's path to one approach won't help you find your own path, but rather be exposed to learning the gifts of his.
My Master would prefer to have monogamy on my part as far as oral or genital contact, but still allow me to play in non-intercourse endeavors. Due to wanting to fully share the gift of my discovery path with my mentors I'm permitted up to 4 private time Masters to train under. I think to really be fully open to the lessons I can learn I need to have all of me avialable to my mentor's whims. This is hard, but exciting to me as I have been a monogamous woman my whole life. Due to my Master fully accepting my training period he guides me in this as he loves me enough, and has enough confidence in our union to know I feel know I belong to Him even if I do have relations with others. He knows they are close friends, but he holds my heart.
Due to my desire to be the best sub I can, and take my formal educational period seriously. Although this is not my Master's ideal situation, it's who I feel I need to be, what I am, and it's where I am. He does not want to crush or hinder my quest for knowledge so we are both adapting to poly notions.
In my opinion the trust, respect of each other’s desires & life choices, wanting to share joy of your love's path benefits both of you. It allows you to be free to grow and shine. To not be able to accept them as they feel they need to be would to be hiding their light, not making it glow.
My loving Masters ability enable's me to achieve my dreams. It helps me feel safe to be happy. In my opinion is the only way I would have chosen to belong to him. I say, you take care and have compassion for those you love, especially in a Master/sub relationship or it really can't work to benefit you both. Find a Master who brings you joy that you trust to lead you both in respect of your spirit and desires to help you, not tear you down. There are Masters like this out there. I know, I'm blessed enough to have one.

Sincerely,

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RE: poly with hetero females? - 6/24/2005 10:23:11 PM   
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It would depend on how the poly relationship is put together. If the Dominant Male wants a harem that he can shoose one girl and evening from, then the girls needn't be bi. Or, if the relationship will be part of a poly chain of individual relationships, then the girls needed be bi. In fact, I know of a poly chain that has 6 het people. But, if you're looking for an orgy, bi is certainly more conducive.

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RE: poly with hetero females? - 6/30/2005 7:31:00 AM   
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My Answer though I'm a sub not a slave is B, but with an explanation.

I'm not bi oriented as I don't enjoy same sex contact, but would as a gift of my will only do a woman or let her do me for my Master's pleasure. I feel as his sub I should be submissive to any desire he has of me, and it's my job to make him happy with, and proud of me.
I'd also like to say if I had sub or slave sisters I would be OK with other physical contact like hugs, massage, sharing my Master and playing with him and any lady friend at the same time, and being an affectionate sister to my family members, I just don't prefer full sexual contact.
I think being a submissive and under a Master in a poly relationship means 1) If he wants you to walk on glass, or go down on someone, if you're devoted to him you should if you want to or not, and 2) if you have sisters in your poly life you should be affectionate with them, and care for and about them as you would your real sister too. I think it's a win win situation for all the members of a household to be there to help each other, and show you care Bi or Not.
Sincerely,
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RE: poly with hetero females? - 6/30/2005 4:45:29 PM   
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I agree with both Dominabea and Domtimothy46176.

There is a responsibility on both slave and Dom to be forthright with anyone in the relationship. A Dom can press his slave to higher levels within the depth of his understanding of his slave. If his/her depth is shallow the relationships will be shallow. If the slave is "hoping" what their lives will be ,or become is going to be disillusioned. This same complexity exists exponentially in a poly setting. We all morph as we grow older and wiser (hopefully). No one should enter any relationship with expecting changes to " make it perfect". You will be waiting until the end of time.

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RE: poly with hetero females? - 7/20/2005 10:18:27 PM   
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I am a Femme Domme, bisexual and polyamorous. I never force sexual encounters on submissives. Some are strictly heterosexual and others are bisexual or
bi-curious. Those limits are respected. Submissives are informed that at
a dungeon event or play party they may see or hear Scenes that make them uncomfortable and the proper response is to ask me if they can move into another room away from that Scene.

On a more personal note, my own life usually resembles the "V" formation. I love to be intimate with heterosexual couples or in a threesome with two males at the same time.

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RE: poly with hetero females? - 7/20/2005 11:58:53 PM   
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Can I go with E for my answer? :)

I am bi.. I am poly by nature though I have my own issues with it at the moment. (long story/not applicable) lol

My owner, however, is anti-homosexual. Therefor, while he is seeking other slaves.. even if they *are* bi I wont be allowed to touch them. His rules. I can sleep with other men on command.. but I can never touch a woman.
Hows that for the odd answer? :)


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RE: poly with hetero females? - 7/24/2005 12:31:51 PM   
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although it's open to suggestion on when more than one plays at a time...usually it's not everyone pile on during a session...so the options exist for many configurations...

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