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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 12:32:26 AM

Padriag

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I just wanted to say that was a very excellent post Blue Elf. You echo so many of my own feelings about it. I cap everyone's name, its good grammar. If someone wishes to identify themself as dominant or submissive I personally feel the best way is to do so by your actions, not a protocol and not by arbitrarily declaring yourself "MasterSoNSo". As for the origins of the protocol, I can't say except that it has been around for at least 11 years and was present on BBSes prior to the advent of the Internet. So were the terms BDSM, D/s, and TPE (I encountered all these on various BBS services back before there was an internet).

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 6:03:57 AM

LdyAuburn

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If I am trying to 'chat' and have lots to say

then I sometimes race and do 'i' and wendy and such. So what, it happens. I cap proper names, often forget about that rest

so on that note

regards Wendy

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 9:38:54 AM

cailinTC

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First of all, please allow cailin to state her piece. she is constantly antagonized for her speech in third person as well as her capping Dominant's names. Just as she will tell Aanyone, if there is such a terrible problem with the way Oone may speak, then turn off the monitor, and turn around, yes you are right. Ssome choose to ignore this girl because of the way that she types or speaks. And yes, in fact she does speak in third person in real life as well when it is permitted ('nilla world doesn't like it too much), but that is acceptable. Wwho cares how Oone types, honestly, it is a preference, just as is this Lifestyle Ssome of Uus choose to live. If it makes Ssomeone comfortable to do so, then be happy and prosper. cailin does not do this to succumb to Eeveryone's wishes and desires, she does this because it is what makes her most comfortable. It seems that not too long ago, there was another thread about this and she had the same answer then as she does now. Why does it matter? Again, if it bothers Yyou that much, turn around and ignore the Ppeople. This is how she was trained. Until Master utters the word, it isn't going to change.

And by the way, good to see You, Bardic Sir! ~smiles~ welcome Home.

~His cailin

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 12:35:53 PM

FelinePersuasion

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A lot of internet protocal is unrealistic. If all subs looked down an never up, nobody would see where they were going. Also my X used to say I am talking to you the floor is not. Look at me When I am talking.

It all boils down to a matter of preferance. I personally would never look at the floor unless I am trying to evade something or him. The eyes are the window's to a persons soul, mine are expesially expressive, where perhaps personally I can't be. They can also express things that are not word apropriate at times.

As to all that lower case upper case, My x used to have me do the never refering to myself in capitals but once he was gone I stoped. I try to be as gramatically c orrect as I know how to be.* no we don't need any snide comments from the penut gallery for those who're stuck up about grammer spelling and all that as I have seen some here who get very rude about spelling* My name is a proper noun, Grammer indicates it's caped. That has nothing to do with being a dominant or a sub. I happen to be a switch LOL. I belive All the demands about how protocal dictates is stupid. In example I was in orange lounge radio and when I said I file my nails, in normal type every one jumped on me and said no you have to type it like /Me files names. Which would make it a red command.

I was like so, w ho cares if I type in the code and make it a red action or I say I am filing my nails.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 12:59:20 PM

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Oh, I think there is a place for protocol within the lifestyle, and I very much enjoy some of it, but to me the issue comes in when others say if you don't do it this way, then you aren't a "true" whatever. Every relationship will be different, and I certainly would not judge someone who did the W/we, H/her, etc. stuff or called everyone Sir or Ma'am, but when they feel these actions are what makes one a submissive/slave/girl/whatever, then I can't help but chuckle and shake my head..

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 12:59:52 PM

SweetDommes

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

My name is a proper noun, Grammer indicates it's caped.

*snickers* so does that make your name a super hero? ...

OK, sorry, but I couldn't resist. LOL

On topic (since I can't remember if I've replied to this topic or not ... if I did, oh well):

I don't really care about the general capitalization thing, although I do sometimes get snapped at if I don't capitalize someone's name - in the chat rooms, I type the name how it shows up in the list, if it's capped, I cap it, if it's not, I don't - simple as that. The thing that gets me is that Ccapping or C/capping ... to me that looks like you are stuttering and makes it incredibly difficult to read. I refuse to do it - and I've been snapped at for that before too (supposedly, if I say "hi everyone" I'm actually only greeting the submissives in the room *rolls eyes). If someone else does it, that's fine - in the chat room - but if they intend to chat with me in private, I tell them not to do it. I also dislike the third person speech - but again, in a chat room, that's fine, in my private messages, it's not. If they cannot respect that, then I don't talk to them any more.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 1:34:38 PM

CitizenCane

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cailinTC

First of all, please allow cailin to state her piece. she is constantly antagonized for her speech in third person as well as her capping Dominant's names. Just as she will tell Aanyone, if there is such a terrible problem with the way Oone may speak, then turn off the monitor, and turn around, yes you are right. Ssome choose to ignore this girl because of the way that she types or speaks. And yes, in fact she does speak in third person in real life as well when it is permitted ('nilla world doesn't like it too much), but that is acceptable. Wwho cares how Oone types, honestly, it is a preference, just as is this Lifestyle Ssome of Uus choose to live. If it makes Ssomeone comfortable to do so, then be happy and prosper. cailin does not do this to succumb to Eeveryone's wishes and desires, she does this because it is what makes her most comfortable. It seems that not too long ago, there was another thread about this and she had the same answer then as she does now. Why does it matter? Again, if it bothers Yyou that much, turn around and ignore the Ppeople. This is how she was trained. Until Master utters the word, it isn't going to change.

And by the way, good to see You, Bardic Sir! ~smiles~ welcome Home.

~His cailin

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cailinTC,
Please consider this: The use of combined upper and lower case that you make is symbolic- I would assume that it's symbolic, like your use of the third person, of your desire to be self-effacing and to show others respect. However, in actual practice, the caps issue simply makes your posts harder to read, which is not respectful. It calls attention to your posture of humility in an obtrusive way, which others might well see as an ego-driven attempt to be 'humbler-than-thou'. Using structures like 'Yyou' or 'Y/you' save the writer the trouble of longer constructions, and shorthand isn't terribly respectful, so I think you are not accomplishing your purpose by using them. If you have something worth saying, it is respectful good manners to say it in a way that does not involve needless obstacles to those you wish to communicate with. If you don't have something worth saying, best to remain silent.
I think that this issue is quite different than that of using the third-person self-reference. Calling yourself 'cailin' instead of 'I' isn't hard on the reader's eye, it suggests something about yourself that you wish to convey without implying anything about anyone else, and it doesn't mess with the standards of English usage. Typing 'Sshe' is much like using a yellow font on a white background.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 2:00:19 PM

stormsfate

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However, cailin mentioned that is how she has been instructed....as such, you might do better arguing the matter with her Master and complimenting her on her obedience.

As much as it annoys me, should my owner tell me to start doing it tomorrow, you would see my posts take on that same flavor.

best regards,
f

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 4:26:32 PM

GddssBella

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Holas!

When I first started chatting online, I followed this decorum simply out of habit. Not because I felt someone had earned it, it was simply my beginning & I followed the example. Nowadays I'm too darn lazy to participate in that chat ettiquette nonsense. So long as someone communicates in a courteous fashion, I could care less if they cap my name, title, what have you. I use good grammar/spelling in correspondence or forums only.

Beach... Let me guess? Was that room on bondage.com? If so, I know the nest of cyber dommes of which you speak & have been prey to their scorn as well. I say, to heck with them. If they spent half as much time out & about living the scene instead of masturbating over it, they'd see just how foolish this idiocy of capping is. {chuckles}

Karl... Lovely thread! {hearty applause} Welcome to the boards. Don't worry, your usage of the English language is a cut above most natives. Sad comment to make upon my own countrymen, but honest.

Stay safe all, play nice, & share your toys w/ others.....

Bella

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 4:45:05 PM

FelinePersuasion

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why yes It would make me a super hero* laughs* I'll take the ability to teletransport to fly and to be invisable please:P

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 4:50:12 PM

CitizenCane

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stormsfate

However, cailin mentioned that is how she has been instructed....as such, you might do better arguing the matter with her Master and complimenting her on her obedience.

As much as it annoys me, should my owner tell me to start doing it tomorrow, you would see my posts take on that same flavor.

best regards,
f

Actually, she says she does it because it 'is what makes her most comfortable'. She says it is 'how she was trained', but there is some room between being trained in doing something a particular way and doing it that way under any and all circumstances. If someone is doing something at their Master's behest, then, as you say, the issue is with the Master. If they are doing it because they are applying a bit of style they have been taught for a particular context in a different context, then it's reasonable to point out the issues that others might have with it. As one who hopes that caitlin has interesting things to say, I merely encourage her to articulate in ways that aren't obnoxious to others.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 5:00:31 PM

nella

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i write i and i have a lovercase nick, but that is as far as it go whit me, but i do not realy care how pepole writes.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 5:44:55 PM

cailinTC

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And again, cailin states that she does as she is told, until Master states that He wishes something different from her, then she will keep doing it. she is not here to please Aanyone really. she is here to speak her mind and if Ssomeone chooses not to "like" her "obnoxious" typing, then Tthey do not have to pay attention to her. As the old saying goes..."If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Master has not said anything about her typing, so it stays. Please be well and have a spectacular day!

~His cailin

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 6:00:04 PM

krikket

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What a super post -- said clearly and mirrors the way i've often felt. It also brings back some absolutely lovely memories, so thank you - whole bunches.

i chatted on IRC for a number of years -- mainly Dalnet -- and "learned" the cap/non-cap stuff too. i did it for a number of reasons: it caused less grief, and having enough grief in other areas of my life didn't need it on-line; i'm a talker -- in r/l or on line -- and i think/talk faster than i can type, even if i am a secretary by trade..lol -- so i use all of the shortcuts i can possibly find. i also looked at some of them as a form of dialect, much like me saying "y'all" and someone from somewhere else saying "you guys". i tried a number of different areas in the chat rooms, found one i felt "comfy" with and stayed there, more or less. i didn't feel comfortable in the Gor rooms, although it was kinda neat to watch sometimes, i didn't really want to have to "beg and crawl naked" into a room, nor did i particularly want to have to ask permission to enter or leave. Anyone who ever went through the "lag" of on-line chats knows what it's like to literally "meet yourself coming and going"...lol.. so it seemed a little silly to me. i never thought it was wrong, just not for me. i often wondered about the "rules" -- needed by some i'm sure, and while i didn't want quite so many rules, it was on-line submission or nothing at all, so i began my exploration on line, making many good friends that i have today. i think, for me, i tried to live my "cyber" life as i live my everyday life -- live and let live, don't sweat the small stuff, don't lie and to remember that a little kindness and a few good manners go a long way...

just my two cents

cheers
jimini

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 8:46:16 PM

Padriag

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cailinTC
And by the way, good to see You, Bardic Sir! ~smiles~ welcome Home.

~His cailin

Good to be seen

I know you do what your Master tells you, and I've always found you both to be very reasonable. That's one thing I've always liked about TC, he didn't push things in other peoples faces.

I do basically agree with Cane though... the whole Y/you stuff is distracting when I read, not to mention the speach software I have on my computer can't decide how to pronounce it (with sometimes humorous results). I suppose I'm just very practical minded, I like sticking with standard grammar structure and leave the online grammar protocols behind. Besides, being a writer, I don't want to pick up bad habits that would give my editor anymore headaches than I already do!

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/3/2005 9:15:03 PM

FelinePersuasion

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Besides, being a writer, I don't want to pick up bad habits that would give my editor

I have notices myself over the 3 or so years online, I have picked up saying lol and using icons in my normal writing. NOT good when you're trying to write an essey or something lol.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/4/2005 5:39:49 AM

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I personally find it hysterical when a sub grovels to ask permission to enter a room, AFTER they have entered the room.

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