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Mercnbeth -> RE: RE:"contracts" (6/21/2005 12:38:37 PM)

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You appear to look down on those who choose a different path than yours. While I find it difficult sometimes to see what people get out of it, when they are weekend warriors so to speak or have limits within their relationship, it obviously fulfills a need in them or else they would not do it.


Not at all or in the least! My comments were directed to the document's philosophy in a contract represented as ideal or at minimum was the response to a "realistic" "feasible". Finishing the thought I said this was just a guide. Could be a good one for that matter. Your point and mine are not only compatible - they are exactly the same. By definition anyones "way" is an agreement between both parties, over a weekend, or over a lifetime.

My apologies if that wasn't conveyed by my words. They were responsive to the challenge of the way we live, and not meant to disparage anyone else's "way". There is NO "way".

I DO challenge those that live on-line because I believe they are cheating themselves. I especially challenge those that ONLY have on-line "experience" (NOT the correct word).




sub4hire -> RE: RE:"contracts" (6/21/2005 12:42:52 PM)

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My apologies if that wasn't conveyed by my words. They were responsive to the challenge of the way we live, and not meant to disparage anyone else's "way". There is NO "way".

I DO challenge those that live on-line because I believe they are cheating themselves. I especially challenge those that ONLY have on-line "experience" (NOT the correct word).


That is the most honest answer I can ever recall reading from you. Thank you.

However, I must disagree with those who only live online. Depending on life circumstances some only have that option.
Granted it is not for you, nor is it for me..but I can empathize with their situations.




feline -> RE: RE:"contracts" (6/21/2005 12:48:13 PM)

FYI for all those out there that are interested . . . . . that is not my personal contract.

As I said it was a guideline. I would hope that if "you" choose to use one of the examples you would personalize it to your own relationship.

I would never post a contract of mine simply because it is a personal thing between him and I, and quite frankly, none of "your" business. [:D]



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Mercnbeth -> RE: RE:"contracts" (6/21/2005 12:58:11 PM)

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You haven't exactly been honest with many here. When you are it is in private as you are saying everyone here is a joke. Which I am sure you've said about me many times in the past to other's as well. Keep saying it...because I have my own feelings as well.


The joke is a submissive who gives a list of "allowed" activities.
The joke is someone with no relevant real time experience giving advice.
The joke is taking yourself too serious.
The joke is thinking your way / my way / their way is the "right way".
The joke is assuming the worse and interpreting gestures - versus communicating.

I never said every ONE here is a joke, although may people, especially those that have multiple personality disorder evidenced by multiple profiles ARE a joke. If some of the posts here aren't intended to be jokes - they sure fooled me. I accept NO ONE here as real until I've met them. No one should. The large percentage of threads pointing out the fakes, phonies and wannabes bear out that attitude is correct. Yet, if someone posts a question or brings up a concern I trust they are representing themselves honestly. I won't try to interpret what they "REALLY" mean.

If my crime is inviting people to know about our life, to be open and answer any question, to offer people the hospitality of our home, to want to be around other people who share this life full-time or part-time, as long as it's REAL time - GUILTY.
I don't care, and won't be paranoid about what I "think" somebody thinks or says about me/us. I have what I've wanted and desired all my life - here & now. For the 100th time at minimum - It's for US, it works for US!




sub4hire -> RE: RE:"contracts" (6/21/2005 1:01:45 PM)

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I never said every ONE here is a joke, although may people, especially those that have multiple personality disorder evidenced by multiple profiles ARE a joke. If some of the posts here aren't intended to be jokes - they sure fooled me. I accept NO ONE here as real until I've met them. No one should. The large percentage of threads pointing out the fakes, phonies and wannabes bear out that attitude is correct. Yet, if someone posts a question or brings up a concern I trust they are representing themselves honestly. I won't try to interpret what they "REALLY" mean.


Is that the way you honestly feel now? I know for a fact and I do have e-mails stating different.
People do change. Almost everything in that paragraph has changed from the Merc I last spoke to.





stormsfate -> RE: RE:"contracts" (6/21/2005 1:11:45 PM)

Thank you so much for having the grace to clarify, and I apologize for my misunderstanding. I'm sure anyone who reads my posts can tell that one true wayisms are a big pet peeve of mine, and I have a difficult time biting my tongue when I see it.

I have always enjoyed reading posts from both of you guys.

best regards,
fate




asissyforher -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (6/21/2005 1:39:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

The rules portion which is included in My contracts is for the slave's benefit as far as referring to and learning the rules. They are just included in the contract for the sake of convenience, and also indicates that the slave has read them and has agreed and signed.
My rules have a tenddancy to be more on the service oriented side, as opposed to the sexual areas, as the largest percentage of a live-ins life is about non-sexual service (with Me, that is). So it is helpful to have these things clearly understood up front.
Regarding a journal...I say a page a day, handwritten, and I do spend time each week reading, discussing and I initial the entries. It is a good discipline.
Ya know, whatever works for any relationship, is a good thing.
I don't find Myself bogged down by too many rules, and there is always flexibility in given situations. But I have found that most of the boys really want to know, and need some sort of strict guidelines they can agree to, learn and become acclimated to. It seems to make clear My expectations, and they don't have to play a guessing game.


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Regarding a journal...I say a page a day, handwritten, and I do spend time each week reading, discussing and I initial the entries. It is a good discipline

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i have heard an awful lot about journals. funny thing is i just never can find anything earth shattering to write about. everyday is the same to me. get up, do what ya have to. go to bed. there is just nothing that sticks in my mind worth writing down. i am lucky if i write in my one here, once a month. and it is mainly my running exploits when i go somewhere to meet someone. my daily life i find dull and boring. and what is the purpose of writing something in a journal when She is right there to talk to? i never could grab that concept. must be some new generation thing.





GoddessSasha -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (6/21/2005 1:51:32 PM)

There really is no end to the selfishness and arrogance of some here is there?

Its so sad when you consider there will be people who pass through this forum and look in for advice and support and get mostly one sided views passed off as fact.

And there was me thinking this has to be better than vanilla life.




perverseangelic -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (6/21/2005 2:15:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: asissyforher


i have heard an awful lot about journals. funny thing is i just never can find anything earth shattering to write about. everyday is the same to me. get up, do what ya have to. go to bed. there is just nothing that sticks in my mind worth writing down. i am lucky if i write in my one here, once a month. and it is mainly my running exploits when i go somewhere to meet someone. my daily life i find dull and boring. and what is the purpose of writing something in a journal when She is right there to talk to? i never could grab that concept. must be some new generation thing.




it doesn't have to be eath shattering. It just has to be something. I write things that I've been wondering about, or things that caught in mymind, or things that I did that I was particularly proud/ashamed of.

If -you- find your life dull, what is there for your owner? I'm not saying this as an insult, rather as an idea for a change of outlook. I figure if I cant muster enthusiasm about my life, why should anyone else?

Sure, my partner is right here to talk to. Sometimes, it's easier to say things in print. For example, I have a very hard time asking for sexual things. We're working on my ability to verbalize it, but my journal is a good place to ask without having to ask face to face. It's sort of an intermediate step for things that make you uncomfortable.




feline -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (6/21/2005 2:35:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

it doesn't have to be eath shattering. It just has to be something. I write things that I've been wondering about, or things that caught in mymind, or things that I did that I was particularly proud/ashamed of.

If -you- find your life dull, what is there for your owner? I'm not saying this as an insult, rather as an idea for a change of outlook. I figure if I cant muster enthusiasm about my life, why should anyone else?

Sure, my partner is right here to talk to. Sometimes, it's easier to say things in print. For example, I have a very hard time asking for sexual things. We're working on my ability to verbalize it, but my journal is a good place to ask without having to ask face to face. It's sort of an intermediate step for things that make you uncomfortable.


Excellant. I couldn't have said it better.



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Mercnbeth -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (6/21/2005 2:44:41 PM)

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what is the purpose of writing something in a journal when She is right there to talk to? i never could grab that concept. must be some new generation thing.


If you have a photographic memory, good for you. Assuming your relationship lasts over the course of years you could relate in detail the thoughts you were thinking, the questions you had, or the emotions you were feeling on a certain day after a specific event. Journals are for those who can't and want to remember what it felt like to experience something for the first time. Many times important things become trivial and the trivial become important. Journals serve as a historical reference.




feline -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (6/21/2005 5:52:31 PM)

Yep . . . . . . memories.

Although I wouldn't say "can't" remember. Sometimes it's just nice to go back to a specific time or event and reminisce. [:)]

I don't keep a traditional journal. In other words, I don't write every day. Writting for me is an outlet I use. Depending on my mood depends on what ends up in there. It enables me to get my thoughts, questions, feelings and emotions together. It allows me to vent. and like perverseangelic said "Sometimes, it's easier to say things in print."
It's not something I do online. For some reason it's just not the same online. And rarely is it anything earth shattering. lol

So I guess I would have to say I am an advocate for some kind of journaling. But as always, to each their own.



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stormsfate -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (6/21/2005 6:02:35 PM)

I have to confess to feeling a bit left out with all the Live Journal frenzy, et al. going on, but I'm with asissyforher on this one. My life is fairly routine and I wouldn't have the first clue what to write. I do enjoy reading them, though, and perhaps someday I'll give it a try.


best regards,
f




CelticPrince -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (6/28/2005 3:51:26 PM)

some thoughts on contracts.

1st and foremost, if the points are not realistic and really actionable then they are by fact ineffective and need not be considered.

Many of the points listed simply are not realiatic. The same rules should apply to r/t as well as on line because in most instances on/line will evolve into r/t if only on occasional weekends.

in essence, if it is not workable r/t, it should not be ruled for on line.

CP




imtempting -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (6/28/2005 11:32:34 PM)

Ive had written rules once only because my Mistress was away and thus it was prooving too costly in phone calls etc so an email was made. Other then that no written rules were ever made. Anyone that does not do research and read many different websites before getting into the lifestyle is a fool to me...





batty24546 -> RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about legality) (7/27/2005 9:39:39 PM)

contracts of any sort legal or not, should in my mind be descused and revised by both parties. "she" (asuming a female slave, or any one eles in any case) is willing to give up everything, every aspect of her life to one person, they sould be consider it of all aspects as well.

Contracts change depend on what their for, and who their for. My mistress and I are in the process of revising a contract to suit our needs, and our relationship. Which is diffrent from many. it may very well be 24/7 but we both have exceptions when it comes to the work place and vanillia friends and family.

The rules I think can be changed to your desire...they don't have to be as there are written on the contract in question. If you don't like it, or it dosen't apply. Change it, its as simple as that.

people change, and so doese the situation, so eventualy the terms of the contract are bounded to change also. something to keep in mind.

Batty




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