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lyxanna -> RE: submission (2/7/2004 7:16:54 AM)
I remember a long time ago, being told i had to fill out a questionaire on what i wanted/needed as a submissive... i remember asking said Top/Dom/me/Master/Mistress if they were going to be filling out the same questionaire.... in my opinion, both parties are applying for either possition in the relationship, both are trying to find out what is write for them, both are trying to decide if the person on the other end of the computer/telephone/table are worthy of receiving a part of themselves held dear in their hearts... both domination and submission are gifts, as they are a part of ourselves, and when starting any relationship we give of ourselves what we have feel safe to give

anon52 -> RE: submission (2/8/2004 7:52:20 PM)
hey some doms think diferently about alot of things.I myself will get familiar in the beginning with a sub/slave.we become comfortable and develop a level of trust together.In the course of speaking,maybe light playing the topic will get around to,master,daddy,dom,sub/slave.We both decide our feelings on ownership,serving and waht we are seeking.Once it is agreed upon by us both we join.There is no application at all.A person may say "I want to get to know you.........;but the formal application of a sub/slave is not something I would consider Master George

MistressDREAD -> RE: submission (2/9/2004 6:35:08 AM)
walks in and reads this threads title ........ mmmmmmmm yes yes My ADVO would fit perfectly in this subject matter: CHOOSES TO POST MY OWN ADVO, WELL JUST BECAUSE.... (looks up at MODII with My Most inocent wicked smile) MISTRESS SEEKS SLAVES!!BLACK HAIR, BLACK EYES, 6'-290LBS BBBW SADIST POLY DOMME NEEDS SLAVES.WILL BE 24/7 IN REAL LIFE LONGTERM BUT IF OVER THE INTERNET IS ALL YOU SEEK WELL I SUPPOSE I COULD FINANCIALLY, SEXUALLY,MENTALLY,SPIRITUALLY,PHYSICALLY DOMINANT YOUR EVERY MOMENT. SLAVES WILL WITHOUT A WORD DO ANYTHING AND EVERY THING I SAY AT ALL TIMES TO BE GIVEN THE PRIVILEGE OF MY PRESANCE ON LINE OR BE GIVEN THE CHANCE IN REAL LIFE 2 SERVE. CONTACTS WILL BE THRU HERE ON COLLARME.COM AND EXPECT TO GIVE UP EVERYTHING IN YOUR CURRENT LIFE BE IT SOCIALLY OR MATERIALLY TO BECOME MY POSESSION AND EARN THE RIGHT TO SERVE ME. MY NEGOTIATION FORMS(CONTRACTS) ARE EXTENSIVE AND THROUGH AND MOST WILL BE A BINDING CONTRACT FOR VOLUNTARY SERVITUDE (DOMESTIC EXTREAMIST) IM NOT LOOKIN FOR LOVE OR MY *ONE SO DONT THINK IT WILL BE YOU BECAUSE IT WONT. I HAD A LOVE OF MY LIFE ALLREADY IN A MASTER OF 27 YEARS AND BELIEVE ME YOU WILL NOT BE FILLING HIS SHOES EVER AS A sa ms. IF YOUR YOUNG,DUMB, AND FULL OF CUM WITH A NEED TO BE BROW BEAT AND SUMONE TO SPEND ALL OF YOUR PAYCHECK WITH OUT SEEING ME,IM YOUR GAL, AND I KNOW THAT ALL OF YOU worthless peon slaves are out there looking for ME male and female, SO GET YOUR ASSES ON HERE AND WRITE,MT HAIR AND NAILS NEED TO GET DONE TODAY. P.S. ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW......................HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! BEEN THERE DONE THAT!!Here is My question to this Board.... NOW WHAT slave OR sub WOULDENT JUST ADORE ME OWNING THEM?? (drops this here while sticking My tongue out at ShadowHwk whom seems to be playing in the same schoolyard I do alltho at oppisite ends of the playground and goes in running down the collarme.com hall to General posts to find where else Im suppose to drop this as well...scrolls up to read saphires directions again so I make sure that I am in the least A consistant Sadist.)

LazSwann -> RE: submission (2/9/2004 8:43:01 AM)
SherriA, what can I say but thank you for voicing something in terms even the most dense should be able to understand. I agree with you totally.. I have been around for quite a few years and it amazed me that someone would think they are giving me a gift and could take it away if I didn't do what they thought I should.. That is not a gift in any terms I know of. I figure I am going to get a bit of the flame you have been getting SherriA but hey I am used to it. If anyone wants to flame me go ahead I am used to it. But before you hit that send button think about this statement.. "If you are giving a gift aka a present when are you going to take it back" Laz

Toya -> RE: submission (2/9/2004 10:24:35 AM)
I know I am late coming into this thread but thought it worth while sharing my thoughts on the gift issue. The following is an excerpt from my last book "Bound" and is from the chapter titled "Is it a gift?" Is it a gift? I have been asking myself this recently after listening to other submissives tell me how they give their ‘gift of submission’ to their dominants. How this gift was such a precious and valued thing. The talk about how it is an honour for the Dominant to receive this ‘gift of submission’ yet nothing is said about the dominant giving anything in return. I could never quite get my head around the idea of my submission being a gift. It just doesn’t sit well. A gift is a one off, one-way thing. A gift is usually given with no expectation of receiving anything in return. If this were the case then a Dominant could take the gift from the submissive and then quite happily go off with his mates for the weekend leaving her at home alone. He has no obligation to the ‘gift’, it is set aside along with all the other gifts he has been given over the years and not known what to do with. Submission on the other hand comes with a whole lot of expectations. Firstly it is expected that to submit to someone you will receive in return, his or her dominance. The power exchange between the couple is a two-way thing. Both give and both receive. I give my Master my submission and in return he takes ownership and control. Each fulfilling the needs of the other. Master and I were discussing this topic and he offered the suggestion that perhaps the reason people try to see their submission as a ‘gift’, is because they want it to be seen as something of value. A gift is something that is cherished and valued, loved and protected. So if they offer their submission as a gift then perhaps they will also be seen as something of value. The more I think about this idea, the more I begin to think that perhaps this is just another way for the submissive to hide his or her feelings of insecurity and fear of rejection. A gift is usually something that is accepted without question; therefore the chance of being rejected is lessened. I have never really been one to delve deeply into why I am a submissive or why I choose to submit to my Master. I am more interested in the doing than the thinking. It is only when I hear things that just don’t fit me that I start to really think about their meanings. Am I wrong in my beliefs? Should I be going along with this ‘gift’ idea? I don’t think so. I don’t have a problem if the rest of the world wishes to see their submission as the most precious gift in the world. It’s not to me. My submission to Master is a very precious thing; I give it freely in exchange for his control, his ownership and his dominance. I will save the gifts for Christmas and birthdays. (c) Toya

ownedgirlie -> RE: submission (2/6/2006 12:38:15 AM)
Hi everyone. i am new to this forum but not new to submission. i am a slave, owned by a wonderful Master, coming up on two years. i do not subscribe to "submission is a gift." i must first own something to give it away. i do not own me - my Master owns me. It is a privalege to serve him. If i were to discuss gifts, i would consider His ownership of me the biggest gift i have ever received. He gives me a place to express my submission. He gave me the gift of developing me into a better person and slave, and by teaching me how to find internal happiness. He has put so much work into me, i should be saying Dominance is a gift!! As to your eloquant eye-roll about submission being service - you betcha it is service. i serve him lovingly. i serve him with love, with passion, with sex, with chores. i serve because that is my need, and he allows that need to be met. Anyway, it is nice to meet all of you and i look forward to future posts.

slatyb -> RE: submission (2/6/2006 12:45:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crystalslave I have a MSN group and someone recently said that a sub has to "apply" to a Dom/me. Has always been my understanding that submission is a gift and no one should have to "apply" to give a gift. I would like other view points on this. Should a sub/slave apply to serve someone or is it a gift? It's a relationship, much like any other, no matter how much we may want to pretend that somehow it isn't. We don't apply to be someone's girlfriend or boyfriend; we express interest in one way or another and see how the other person responds. It's definitely not a gift. Normal gifts can be kept or donated or discarded, but accepting the "gift" of submission requires a lot of attention from the recipient.

ShivaTS -> RE: submission (2/6/2006 1:03:06 AM)
This thread is very different from the one I put out in the Ask a master. I have a problem with submitting to anyone who asserts himself on me and have been hurt multiple times this week after signing up. Most of the post is people telling me I should not be a floormat and submission is a gift and a dominant needs to earn your trust and respect. I dont know if the difference is I was talking to Masters and there are different rules for dom/me.

RavenMuse -> RE: submission (2/6/2006 2:28:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShivaTS This thread is very different from the one I put out in the Ask a master. I have a problem with submitting to anyone who asserts himself on me and have been hurt multiple times this week after signing up. Most of the post is people telling me I should not be a floormat and submission is a gift and a dominant needs to earn your trust and respect. I dont know if the difference is I was talking to Masters and there are different rules for dom/me. If you read most of these posts you will see that wether the person see's submission as a gift or not, they are in control of who they give that gift to. If they don't see it as a gift but something that is a need.... that goes hand in hand with finding someone they can TRUST to fullfill that need safely. In both cases you can bet that the reaction would be quite the same to some random idiot who contantacted them and started making demands of them right away. With various degrees of politeness the message would be "f*ck off buster"

veronicaofML -> RE: submission (2/6/2006 8:13:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SherriA quote: ORIGINAL: crystalslave I have a MSN group and someone recently said that a sub has to "apply" to a Dom/me. Has always been my understanding that submission is a gift and no one should have to "apply" to give a gift. I would like other view points on this. Should a sub/slave apply to serve someone or is it a gift? I do NOT buy into the submission is a gift smegma. A gift is something given without expectation of anything in return, in my reality. If someone is submitting and not being dominated in return, s/he's gonna pretty quickly take that submission back and find someone who appreciates it. You don't take gifts back, at least not in my world. And I certainly don't give them with the expectation that i'm going to receive something in return. Submission isn't a gift. D/s is an equal exchange, with both people giving something of equal value. A trade, of sorts, but not a gift. As far as the application process, I can totally understand that. I live with a dominant woman. I see the number of "requests" she receives. I also see the quality (or general lack thereof) of most of them. I see submissive individuals approaching desirable dominant folks all the time, with a laundry list of what they want/need/expect. Um...ok, but what are you offering in return? What do you bring to the table to enhance the other person's life? Why is it so wrong to make the process a little more formalized in order to separate the wheat from the chaff? And since many submissive people are at least SAYING that they're offering "service" of some sort, what's wrong with determining just what they think that service is, and how it might fit into the person's life? An application is simply a way of selling yourself - showing yourself in the best light possible with regards to the needs of the situation. People do it to get into a great school or to work for a great company. Why would they feel so differently about it in this regard? Femdoms in particular, I think, have a huge pool of candidates to choose from, and an application process of sorts makes finding the right one much more effecient. -- Sherri ================== i cannot make this any better...word for word...

SweetEscravo -> RE: submission (2/6/2006 9:37:22 AM)
I've recently been taking the whole "submission is a gift" to mean something completely different. To me, it is more that having the submissive personality is a gift in itself- it isn't something just anyone can do. I take it to mean that the ability to submit is a gift that few people have, so those who do should be proud of it. Of course, dominance is a gift too [;)] Just my thoughts

ownedgirlie -> RE: submission (2/6/2006 12:15:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShivaTS This thread is very different from the one I put out in the Ask a master. I have a problem with submitting to anyone who asserts himself on me and have been hurt multiple times this week after signing up. Most of the post is people telling me I should not be a floormat and submission is a gift and a dominant needs to earn your trust and respect. I dont know if the difference is I was talking to Masters and there are different rules for dom/me. Submission is not about being a doormat (unless of course, Master would like to wipe his feet!). Why would any Dominant want a doormat of a submissive anyway? i do not see the challenge or reward in dominating someone who would cower to just anyone. Trust is earned both ways. my Master needs to trust in me as much as i need to trust in Him. He needs to be able to count on my submission, behavior and honesty. How can he rule me otherwise, if he can't count on that? Complete trust, in both directions, is crucial. As for rules....the rules are whatever the Master says they are. [;)] i found the posts on this thread very interesting, and appreciate reading the different perspectives. ~o.g.

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