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Samizdat -> 911: the Road to Tyranny (1/15/2005 10:00:56 PM)

I am a 9/11 activist/researcher, one of whose main weapons is Alex Jones' excellent film "911: the Road to Tyranny" archived at

http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?id=6061 .

View and discuss.



Fallen Firefighter of the Day, FF. Thomas Butler, Squad 1, FDNY, made the Supreme Sacrifice on 9/11/01. Memorial Service was held on August 17, 2002
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august953 -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (1/19/2005 10:20:00 AM)

Hi to you Samizdat,

& may I begin with condolence & offer a thought that may be of little comfort to you, that your loss is everyone's loss. There are no statues nor enough parks to put them in, to celebrate the lives of the ordinary people, just getting on with their lives. Atrocities often take more than a generation to settle, but tyranny's perennial goof is forgetting the ordinary people, be it the firefighter or the guy selling papers, the park keeper, the woman walking the dog, all brutalised, yet all united in the face of such horror. Above all this is a shadow, the shadow that this will happen again...

"That evil may prosper, it is necessary only that good men do nothing"

-Edmund Burke

his statue stands outside Trinity College Dublin, alongside Goldsmith.....

strange bedfellows indeed.... but though Ireland is a good microcosm of adversity, there is a bigger picture. The twist is that the bigger picture is about pictures great & small, & what John Berger called 'Ways Of Seeing'.....

Rewind the tape back to childhood & schooldays. Remember the playground bully?
Remember how that persona defined reality? Recall the terror? 9/11 came from that.
Transferred to my own backyard version of history, there are still many Irish who think the world should run on potatoes. I don't use this analogy lightly; that I'm alive now is as much luck as judgement. Some ate & lived; others did not fare so fortunately. That was a matter of chance, chance & nothing else. There are no heroes greater than need. My Jewish friends tell me how respected elders in Warsaw used their position to abuse schoolgirls, although irony of ironies, the same abusers met the same fate as those whose misfortune they sought to benefit from. The Irish equivalent is Fr. Reilly who grabbed your ass; again it was just chance that I was born tall enough to put Fr. Reilly thru the window. But this is all the playground bully business, all of it.

The collapse of the Ottoman Empire goes back a ways, though not far enough. There will still & always be some clever dick sitting in a cave somewhere, ready & willing to receive 'instructions from god' as to the next Big Excuse. The only thing that stops me from declaring myself the next prophet, or even allah himself/itself is that the entrenched interests have more guns than I have, & seeing as I have none, I better shut up. But I will speak truth to tyranny....

"That evil may prosper, it is necessary only that good men do nothing"....

Islam is like any other religion; a pile of crap. The prophet did nothing for the drowned in Indonesia. Never mind the koran; they'd have done better to read The 3 Little Pigs i.e. how to build a house. Meanwhile we are all expected to dish up vast loads of loot to pack the Swiss bank accounts of the local corrupt officials. Really?
What did floods do before t.v.? You might well ask....

So why is the United States the perceived enemy? In the recent sense it goes no further than perceived interests. The overthrow of Mossadeq in 1953, which installed the Shah, which lead to Ayatollah Cockamamie, & so on..... Similar to the Red Army supressing the Berlin uprising that same year, the very day I was born as happens, which lead to Ulbricht & so on.... then along comes The Beatles......

Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex. Gorbachev sought to disengage it. Robert Kennedy intended to end the Cold War. 2 out of 3 ain't bad......
The playground bully is the historical persona all must beware of, for that is psychopathy personified. Islam is the most horribly perfected version thus far. If the leaders are seen to be un-Islamic, they are no longer Islamic & so are legitimate targets. If the people are seen to be un-Islamic, then they too are legitimate targets.
Islam is a kind of pre-historic Maoism; it's ultimate quest is to render itself surplus to requirement..... after all; if everyone's dead, who needs to shoot anyone.

It is subjective logic taken to the most ludicrous extremes. Madness. Psychosis.

But this does'nt answer the question: why is the U.S. the perceived enemy?

It's the innocence. The whole culture of the United States sails on the notion
"well it sounds impossible, but what the heck; lets give it a try"
that is what the fundies despise; innocence.... the 'why not?' soul
this is anathema to all Islam is about, the very concept of choice.
Yet America too must beware..... fundies in the works.... bad gig.....v. bad gig!

Take a look at 'The Manufacture Of Consent' by Noam Chomsky
read anything by Kurt Vonnegut & John Steinbeck
both demonised by the christian right
& be under no illusions; they are as bad as any variety of Islam.
See 'Brazil', a film by Terry Gilliam, an American based in England
as an example of how wrong it can go......

read anything by Richard Feynman (apart from the physics, which is impossible)
he came out with the best line of all,
in his appendix to the Challenger Inquirey

Nature Will Not Be Fooled



It reads so simply yet contains so much wisdom. I'm pretty sure Tom Butler knew that though he had no thought for anything but doing good for people. It's no comfort I know, but never forget how fortunate you are to have known such a man.



Aus
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ORIGINAL: Samizdat

I am a 9/11 activist/researcher, one of whose main weapons is Alex Jones' excellent film "911: the Road to Tyranny" archived at

http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?id=6061 .

View and discuss.



Fallen Firefighter of the Day, FF. Thomas Butler, Squad 1, FDNY, made the Supreme Sacrifice on 9/11/01. Memorial Service was held on August 17, 2002
[image]local://upfiles/80432/18A649D3037B4E9BB65C5B79893DFA88.jpg[/image]





Samizdat -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (1/24/2005 7:15:10 PM)

Would that I had known Tom Butler, august, and each and every one of his 343 fallen brothers, including the department chaplain, Father Mychal Judge, who died because he'd removed his firefighter's helmet out of respect while praying with the wounded.
Or Joseph Angelini and Joseph Angelini, Jr., whose son and brother respectively, Michael, lived because he was asked to help carry out Father Judge just moments before the North Tower fell and crushed the lobby where they'd found him by flashlight in the dust of South Tower's collapse.

http://www.magicalmike.com/html/fr__mychal_judge.html

http://www.legacy.com/LegacyTribute/Sept11.asp?Page=TributeStory&PersonID=128620

Joseph Angelini, Sr., pictured below, and son, Joseph Angelini, Jr. both made the Supreme Sacrifice on 9/11/01.

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august953 -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (1/27/2005 3:46:24 AM)

In England, where I live, there is a sense of raging uselessness. The country that invented football & cricket has a hard time understanding why it plays both with such utter crappiness. Worse still, they can't even speak coherent English. The whole dribbling mess runs on a diet of soap-opera & celebs. Raging uselessness.

Europe is little better. The twist here is what exactly defines Europe. Last week it was 11 countries; next week it might be 29. Snuffling patriarchs, who get presidencies as some kind of long-service medal, stand up & make noble speeches full of hype & disclaimers.
In some strange way, only Germany seems to know how twisted things can get.

Example: this very week in England, parliament has begun the process of limiting the size of teddybears as prizes at fairground sideshows, as they might encourage gambling.
I kid you not......

Beneath all this stupidity is a lurking pernicious anti-Americanism, which makes my skin crawl. Not for the first time, Europe fiddles with grammer & hype, sure in the expectation that America will save it's worthless arse. Ingratitude is nothing new, it's one of humankinds most noticable characteristics; but the ignorance is hard to take.

Between 1914 & 1918, England wiped out it's own future in a stupid war, declared & fired by vanity, perhaps nothing more than a dreadful song about "ruling the waves".
Big deal. When that mess was resolved, unsuccessfully I might add, they took a break & then started all over again. Yet this week, as all the Eurogeeks make big jazz about Austwitz [forgetting how many of their forebears were complicit in it] although I can't complain about the smack dealers upstairs, as that would be discriminating against refugees from terrorism. Or tourism.

The funny thing; everyone I know in every European country/state has one ambition;
to get out. To escape from a beaurocracy that rivals Stalin's best; Soviet Europe.
Except France, who spend most of every war running away.

Don't think me some kind of secular saint. As I write this, I'm listening to Led Zeppelin & drinking a barrel of Baileys [railways; 4 day break] but I'm still thinking [although thinking is soon to be made illegal by Tonto Blah] &, more important, remembering.

Something Ma told me.

I was born in Northern Ireland, which was part of WW2
Ma told me about Americans who call by asking about some mythical Mr. Jones
just for someone to talk to...
I was no age when I heard that, but it stirred my heart to know it
that people talk to know each other.
With the onset of age, I value it even more.

The atrocity of 9/11 [I wish people would stop calling it a 'tragedy'] reminded me
the natural innocence of America
[which really pisses the Eurogeeks]
the memouries of decent men & women doing their duty by others
this is unknown here;
there'd be a line of 'commissioners' lined up for their take.
This place could never handle Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young
or Bruce Hornsby
never mind Kurt Vonnegut.

I would never be so disrectful as to suggest a re-write of the national anthem
but maybe add another couple of lines to 'sea to shining sea'
such as 'out there in the darkness'
because that's how it is.

There's no getting used to loss
& it's harder when it's from such lowdown dirty business
& it's got to be even more difficult to take when your supposed allies
are busy kissin up to an enemy sworn to your destuction, for profit.
No, not 'prophet'...

my prayers are worth damn near nothing
but maybe thought still has some value
my thoughts are with your fallen comrades & their loved ones.
No man nor woman has an easy road, cut off from their best friend too soon
I'd have a job explaining to any child why Ma or Da ain't coming home again...

I'll take my leave of you now
it's a chilly day in England & everyone's complaining.
[I dunno what they'd make of the 3' of snow in New England]
if I'm ever Stateside again, maybe we'll have a pint

but it'll have to be over the line in Jersey
cos I can't stand the fundies who say I can't smoke in a pub.


Austin Coll

recommended listening; Bruce Hornsby & Jerry Garcia "Barren Ground"




Atavist -> RE: 911: the Road to Tyranny (1/27/2005 6:17:22 AM)

Austin,

Can't say as I agree with everything you write but your words are illuminating and poetic. I hope you keep contributing, I enjoy'd the last post immensely.




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