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RE: Collar - 3/7/2006 9:46:42 PM

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The former is proper; the submissive / slave should covet this bestowal. For me, allowing a girl to call me Master is where the honor lies. It is not earned easily.

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RE: Collar - 3/7/2006 9:57:46 PM

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This question arises from another thread and rather than ask it there i thought i would start a new thread. What is proper, the submissive/slave begging for a collar, or the Master/Dom/Mistress/Domme offering? Thank Yyou.

Whatever works for you.

Everyone has to agree to it in the end, so it's just a matter of preference and emotional attachment that chooses one over the other.

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RE: Collar - 3/7/2006 9:59:26 PM

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If You choose to collar one, but demand/require him/her to beg for it, doesn't that in some small way give him/her control? As an explanation for where my brain is... if You (generic You) make the decision (it is Your's to make) to collar me (generic me LOL).. why would You not just do it? The control is Your's, not mine.

This wasn't listed as one of the choices, but it's what happened in my life with Himself. He told our mutual friend the second day he met me that he was going to collar me ::I found this out years later:: but he didn't do so until I begged him for it. He 'knew' but waited till I 'knew'. I also knew that once I begged, that was it.. there was no turning back and he made sure I knew that too. Didn't matter though.. it was way to late for there to be any other options for me.

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RE: Collar - 3/7/2006 9:59:36 PM

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i.e. If You choose to collar one, but demand/require him/her to beg for it, doesn't that in some small way give him/her control? As an explanation for where my brain is...

Considering no matter how you go about it, the slave has control over consent, it doesn't really change the situation.

And again for me Ms isn't about control, but authority.

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RE: Collar - 3/7/2006 10:35:33 PM

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You mean sometimes they don't beg for it?

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RE: Collar - 3/7/2006 10:44:26 PM

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Considering no matter how you go about it, the slave has control over consent, it doesn't really change the situation.

And again for me Ms isn't about control, but authority.

What a refreshing way to look at it! I like that.

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RE: Collar - 3/7/2006 10:59:13 PM

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Considering no matter how you go about it, the slave has control over consent,.

IME, that's usually, but not always true.

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RE: Collar - 3/7/2006 11:22:19 PM

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All a mater of protocol and how you do it.. The whys and wherefores fade into insigifance when the time comes and if it comes from the heart to the heart it will be right.....LA says "the slave has contro over consent" I guess that is right from the cold emotionless climate she appears to live in.. I know that a slave has already submitted in her heart and mind and when the Master already owns her heart and soul, she has lost control of consent.... Others will disagree and I respect that, but, they haven't walked my walk, had my head on their shoulders, done what I've done or seen what I've seen.... All views here are expensions of our own beliefs and experiences which makes them true for that person but not universally true..

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RE: Collar - 3/7/2006 11:27:11 PM

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I know that a slave has already submitted in her heart and mind and when the Master already owns her heart and soul, she has lost control of consent....

Truly eloquent and speaks volumes to me.

If anyone asks what I meant by my post, I'll just point to this one.

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RE: Collar - 3/7/2006 11:34:03 PM

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Celeste, my regards to your Master. He has a girl worthy of a collar....

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RE: Collar - 3/7/2006 11:42:32 PM

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I know that a slave has already submitted in her heart and mind and when the Master already owns her heart and soul, she has lost control of consent....

i join Celeste in complete agreement. So well put, thank You IronBear.

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RE: Collar - 3/8/2006 5:55:04 AM

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angelic,

Fortunately Emily Post didn't write a book about what's proper in BDSM. If she did then most of the flavor of personal expression and preference would be lost from this lifestyle. It's up to the participants of the relationship to determine what is proper for them.

Good question.

totally agree..fortunatly
it seems that ppl take written words as law (as their *bible* in life/lifestyle)

not all that is right for others is right for you and viceversa. just do it on ur own style.

i dont mind a sub askin for gettin under my guidance (i dont like the word collar too much), but i d prefer to tell him/her that i want them.

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RE: Collar - 3/8/2006 6:30:25 AM

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I don't believe it is a slave's place to ask for something that belongs to Master.

That is how i've always thought about it, Evanesce.

Again, though, i've never been collared.

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RE: Collar - 3/8/2006 6:38:55 AM

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good morning, Ironbear, Sir!

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Yet the simple version of a Master striding into where ever and grabbing a sub/slave by the hair and dragging her off to be collared has a huge attraction too.

Yes i like the idea of that!

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(Best he finds out if she is a black belt or a cop first)
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or she has an orange paddle

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RE: Collar - 3/8/2006 6:42:40 AM

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thank Yyou Aall for answering my questions. i have hopes of someday discovering for myself.

*i may have to learn to hush on these boards first tho*

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RE: Collar - 3/8/2006 6:52:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

All a mater of protocol and how you do it.. The whys and wherefores fade into insigifance when the time comes and if it comes from the heart to the heart it will be right.....LA says "the slave has contro over consent" I guess that is right from the cold emotionless climate she appears to live in.. I know that a slave has already submitted in her heart and mind and when the Master already owns her heart and soul, she has lost control of consent.... Others will disagree and I respect that, but, they haven't walked my walk, had my head on their shoulders, done what I've done or seen what I've seen.... All views here are expensions of our own beliefs and experiences which makes them true for that person but not universally true..

This speaks volumes, old bear. Very well said, well said indeed.

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RE: Collar - 3/8/2006 6:58:06 AM

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or she has an orange paddle

Paddle to Karate Belt Conversion

1 Orange Paddle = Black Belt 1st Dan
2 Orange Paddles = Black Belt 2nd Dan
3 Orange Paddles = Black Belt 3rd Dan
4 Orange Paddles = Black Belt 4th Dan

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RE: Collar - 3/8/2006 6:59:32 AM

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Thank you Mitakola, your comments are valued..

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RE: Collar - 3/8/2006 7:18:19 AM

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Another girl in agreement, Ironbear, thank you.

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All a mater of protocol and how you do it.. The whys and wherefores fade into insigifance when the time comes and if it comes from the heart to the heart it will be right.....LA says "the slave has contro over consent" I guess that is right from the cold emotionless climate she appears to live in.. I know that a slave has already submitted in her heart and mind and when the Master already owns her heart and soul, she has lost control of consent.... Others will disagree and I respect that, but, they haven't walked my walk, had my head on their shoulders, done what I've done or seen what I've seen.... All views here are expensions of our own beliefs and experiences which makes them true for that person but not universally true..

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RE: Collar - 3/8/2006 7:33:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

All a mater of protocol and how you do it.. The whys and wherefores fade into insigifance when the time comes and if it comes from the heart to the heart it will be right.....LA says "the slave has contro over consent" I guess that is right from the cold emotionless climate she appears to live in.. I know that a slave has already submitted in her heart and mind and when the Master already owns her heart and soul, she has lost control of consent.... Others will disagree and I respect that, but, they haven't walked my walk, had my head on their shoulders, done what I've done or seen what I've seen.... All views here are expensions of our own beliefs and experiences which makes them true for that person but not universally true..

I would agree completely with this.. at least in terms of how it works in my relationship.

Although frankly, I would not say that LA lives in a cold emotionless climate (I don't know her so I don't know what kind of climate she lives in) - I'm a little surprised to hear a comment like that from you, Iron Bear.

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