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BitaTruble -> RE: One Dominants controversial thought on d/s (3/7/2006 6:49:37 PM)

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She does not bestow this right on him, her need to submit does and that fact may have a life of its own quite apart from her perceived wishes. She may have no wilful control over the power she gives him.


That's exactly what I've always meant by having ones power 'taken' from them rather than giving it to someone. I didn't give anything to anyone. No cute little presents wrapped in cute little bows. No exchanges for toasters or sales on Ebay. It wasn't a gift! Master wanted it, he took it and he keeps it. What I hear more than anything is.. 'you have the power to walk away,'.. failing to see that I do not have that power because he took it from me! Master has made it clear, in no uncertain terms that I'm here for the duration or for as long as he feels like keeping me.. and I believe him.

Celeste




cillydom -> RE: One Dominants controversial thought on d/s (3/8/2006 2:17:49 PM)

seems I inadvertently broke a rule on posting , so here is the update that was removed



Ok, onto a pet peeve of mine, mentors. Establishing friendships with dominants is perfectly all right, it may even give a new submissive a window into the dominant mind. But be wary of giving him any power over you, I have this suspension that males that mentor online have their own agenda and may not be attuned to the best interests of the submissive. Having him read her email and pass judgement on whom she should and should not speak to may prevent her from actually finding someone. I talk to many submissives online but I do so as equals, I don’t demand any ritualistic behavior and speech. I find the female mind fascinating and the submissive mind even more so. I like it to shine forth unhindered, unencumbered and pristine. Submissives looking for a partner should stand on their own feet and make their own decisions. After all the submissive is the one that will have to live with her decisions.





This is a work in progress and changes are made from time to time for clarity and continuance but the basic ideas remain constant. So if it interests you come back to find out what has been added. Rereading from the beginning is recommended as changes are made to the body of the text also.




girlToServeYou -> RE: One Dominants controversial thought on d/s (3/8/2006 5:57:38 PM)

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But over time, would he prefer her to be secure with him? For example i know that as long as i am pleasing to him i will be his. Thus, i will always work to be pleasing and find new and creative ways to do so. However, if loss of the relationship were used to manipulate me, i would think that would only have fed my insecurity, and my focus would end up being on something fear driven than HIM-driven. Hence, my focus becomes on me rather than on him. Whereas if i am secure on the foundation he provides, then i am not distracted by needless worry. Would you agree? Then all barriers are removed and you have a slave with no hangups, ready to expand her own boundaries, however difficult, to please you and make you happy. You are her goal - not her security. You did say subtle, however, which leads me to believe you are not outwardly hanging demise over her head as a form of negative motivation. Negative motivation (a different subject) has its place, but i tend to think fear driven approaches can lead to dangerous ground.


Wow...How beautifully articulated. My very first Dominant used the fear tactic, and at the time, I *was* very insecure about losing him...perhaps too needy at the time, and very vulnerable. And boy did he use it. I cringe to this day when I admit that it worked. That was a bunch of years ago and I have since matured emotionally and become more secure with my own perceptions of what my submission is, and what a healthy relationship should be. So I never have to feel that way again. But, wow, you surely did explain this 'cause and affect' theory absolutely beautifully. I agree completely; fear of the Dominant ending the relationship really should NOT be used as a tool. It fosters and exacerbates an insecurity that is sometimes already present in the submissive, and I cant see how using this as a tool of manipulation would really help the relationship to evolve. It may get immediate results, but in the long term, it would be a recipe for disaster. And I would pity the woman that it *does* work on. I was once she. But not anymore. And I have no desire to dis Cilly, cuz I dig his writings, but I have to ask, what kind of man would use such a tactic? I do not think he would have much character as a man or a dom. However, I can see how Cilly would see this as a possible tool, without realizing the long term affect that it can have on a submissive's psyche. I do know first hand that it *can* and *does* work (with *some* anyway). So I must admit that he has a point, I just dont agree with using it. Thanks for reading. :)




cadence -> RE: One Dominants controversial thought on d/s (3/8/2006 6:07:28 PM)

This has been a fascinating thread to read. Moving from the vanilla world to this one has had its share of surprises. Both worlds have their share of airheads, of course. But I am pleased to note that I have experienced a lot more contacts here who have the capacity to stimulate me intellectually which is very important to me. Many of the doms I have met (including the one I am currently involved with for "real time") have been very creative and thinking men. I suppose l expected to find more brutes than I have. This has also been true for many of my fellow submissives. It makes me wish I had found my way here years ago instead of only recently.

I hope the journal to which you refer is the one with your profile. I am headed there to hopefully read more in depth. Thanks!

cadence




girlToServeYou -> RE: One Dominants controversial thought on d/s (3/8/2006 6:08:47 PM)

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She may have no wilful control over the power she gives him.


everyone has willful control over their choices, no matter how strong their 'desires' may be. To think otherwise, is a dangerous place to be in.




girlToServeYou -> RE: One Dominants controversial thought on d/s (3/8/2006 6:34:36 PM)

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I would also ask a dominant who has a slave that is micro-managed in such an extreme manner... where the hell do you find the time & energy to maintain that type of relationship. Honestly folks, you would have to be retired & independently wealthy in order to be so controlling. It takes me all damn day to make sure I keep up with my own responsibilities without having to pick out my girl's clothes, ok her makeup, make sure she does her job right. Remember to eat.. & oh yeah... that it is ok for her to go to the bathroom now. PALLLLEEEEESE!!!


BAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA...EXACTLY! Who do they think they're kidding anyway? lmaoo

PS: I pulled this from the wrong person's post. and I dont know how to change it or delete it. I just wanted to confirm that the above quotation that I responded to was from Cilly's writings, not the person that I responded from. Thanks.




MstrssPassion -> RE: One Dominants controversial thought on d/s (3/8/2006 6:43:54 PM)

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girlToServeYou -> RE: One Dominants controversial thought on d/s (3/8/2006 6:49:01 PM)






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Now the biggy, “DOORMAT”. I’ve marveled at the debates over this one, invariably debated among submissive women themselves. After looking at line upon line upon line of submissive discussion, I’ve come up with a working definition for doormat submissive. Are you ready? To a submissive woman a doormat submissive is “ any submissive more submissive than I am”. It’s just that simple. It’s all a matter of depth of need. The more needful she is to submit, the more likely she will be thought a doormat by other submissives.


I think the term "doormat" can be applied to anyone in any type of relationship, or life in general who goes around letting people crap all over them, and has a basic lack of respect for oneself. Im not sure why this term is thrown around so much in this context, but as far as Im concerned you either have a doormat mentality or you do not; submissive or vanilla, man or woman. And as far as being labeled by "jealous submissives", again, you will find jealous women every where. And men as well. Have you any idea how many self-proclaimed dominants, tell us that so-and-so Dom isnt a "Real Dom", he's just a top or a kinkster or whatever. Again, these issues can all be paralleled with ALL types of people in all relationships. I just dont see why the great need to differentiate so much between "vanilla" and "Ds". We really arent any different fundamentally with regard to basic human nature, than those who *don't* practice Ds.




KnightofMists -> RE: One Dominants controversial thought on d/s (3/8/2006 6:51:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cillydom

however they seek it, it's still love to them



is it love?... or just self-abuse!




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