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ORIGINAL: Elegant



I knew that would be your thought...grin..i just wonder the thoughts of those who are of the opinion that a Master does not need to justify breaking a promise to a slave.

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

Frankly I don't think you can make any such assumption about the OP... you don't even know if those examples where entirely hypothetical. She posed a question, she didn't say "This happened to me, give your opinion on it"

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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

My own personal opinion, rather extreme, I imagine, is that a slave is property, and can therefore have no expectation of a right to "kept promises". It would be as breaking a promise to your dog or cat. The one mitigatin factor might be if the slave's ownership were negotiated in such a way as to explicitly define a right to "kept promises."

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It would be as breaking a promise to your dog

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ORIGINAL: theRose4U



Maybe that's it...piss on his sofa THAT will get his attention!!

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ORIGINAL: theRose4U



If I break a promise/committment the smallest one will lift his leg on the sofa or the kitchen cabinet. Maybe that's it...piss on his sofa THAT will get his attention!!

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ORIGINAL: SimplyV
but if I don't keep my word to my dog, she doesn't trust me anymore and has little regard for my authority. <snip>


If you don't keep your word, soon people will lose trust in you.. and walk.

Its all a matter of trust and honesty. If your words don't match your actions, no one is going to be listening.

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ORIGINAL: lapis

Master is in charge. Master gives the final word on decisions. i understand and agreed to this 5 years ago.

my question to those here. Is is acceptable for a Master to go back on a promise? Is Master above keeping promises? little promises like a promise to fix the truck. or a big promise like to sepnd more time on us.

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ORIGINAL: truesub4u

If a Dom or Master or Owner... doesn't need to justify broken promises.... to said property... then said property doesn't need to jusify walking out the door to said Owner.... Dom .. or Master.

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ORIGINAL: Elegant



I knew that would be your thought...grin..i just wonder the thoughts of those who are of the opinion that a Master does not need to justify breaking a promise to a slave.

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

When it comes to discussing Masters or slaves, I can only speak for myself and through the eyes of a Gorean Master. For me, a Master and in particular, a Gorean Master, is that he is a Man, not just a member of the male gender, but a MAN. Some of the tenets which I personally consider to be the qualities of a Man are:

[1] A Man is a male whose bond is his word. (No written guarantees when a handshake will do).

[2] He will not make promises without deep thought of all the consequences.

[3] Promises may have a time line attached. Such time lines may be that he will complete keeping a promise by a specific time/date, or it may be that the promise will be kept until a time/date or a specific condition is kept.

[4] He will keep his word unless by doing so he or others may be placed in physical or financial harm.

[5] He will keep his word unless circumstances out side of his control prevent him from doing so.

[6] If for any reason it becomes impracticable for him to maintain a promise, he will let the person know and may even re-evaluate the best way to deal with the circumstances regarding the original promise. (It may be reasonable to make modifications to the original promise).

[7] He may make up his mind to do something, and even let others know of his decision. He is not bound to such decisions unless he has given his word and thus can without loss of honour.

[8] Generally, a Master does make certain promises to a slave which is implied (at least in my case) when he locks a collar about her throat. Such promises deal with his responsibilities in looking after her and protecting her from harm.

I can probably find others but this should give you some idea where I am at. This list excepting the last one was taught to me on my Father’s knee and by my Grandfather too.

“You gotta play the game. It’s all in the game and how you play it!”

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

When it comes to discussing Masters or slaves, I can only speak for myself and through the eyes of a Gorean Master. For me, a Master and in particular, a Gorean Master, is that he is a Man, not just a member of the male gender, but a MAN. Some of the tenets which I personally consider to be the qualities of a Man are:

[1] A Man is a male whose bond is his word. (No written guarantees when a handshake will do).

[2] He will not make promises without deep thought of all the consequences.

[3] Promises may have a time line attached. Such time lines may be that he will complete keeping a promise by a specific time/date, or it may be that the promise will be kept until a time/date or a specific condition is kept.

[4] He will keep his word unless by doing so he or others may be placed in physical or financial harm.

[5] He will keep his word unless circumstances out side of his control prevent him from doing so.

[6] If for any reason it becomes impracticable for him to maintain a promise, he will let the person know and may even re-evaluate the best way to deal with the circumstances regarding the original promise. (It may be reasonable to make modifications to the original promise).

[7] He may make up his mind to do something, and even let others know of his decision. He is not bound to such decisions unless he has given his word and thus can without loss of honour.

[8] Generally, a Master does make certain promises to a slave which is implied (at least in my case) when he locks a collar about her throat. Such promises deal with his responsibilities in looking after her and protecting her from harm.

I can probably find others but this should give you some idea where I am at. This list excepting the last one was taught to me on my Father’s knee and by my Grandfather too.

“You gotta play the game. It’s all in the game and how you play it!”

I probably said most of it there.. However I'll add that when you break a promise, and especially when you do it deliberately, you are destroying something of yourself that you can never recover.... Do it often enough and you become a vile thing. As my blood brother would say, you become "He who speaks with forked tongue.." At that stage of your life, you, are less than the most bratty sub and you have lost all rights to claim the title of Dominant let alone Master..,Me? I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire at that stage. I piss myself off regularly, because I have to give up watchig some program onTV because I've indicated I'll give the girls a hand or do something. Yeah it's a bummer to miss something you've waited all week to watch, but you know what? I CAN LOOK AT MYSELF IN THE MIRROR AND LIKE WHAT I SEE... CAN YOU????

“You gotta play the game. It’s all in the game and how you play it!”

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ORIGINAL: MrThorns


If I make a promise, I do my best to follow through. I may change my mind or the situation may change and I have new possibilities to look at.


Is a slave so rigid in her beliefs and behaviors that she is unable to adjust to life as it happens?

~Thorns

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As for this particular situation, only you can decide what is "right." If you feel his broken promises are too much for you, leave. If you don't want to leave, then be a good slave and shut up about them... Bitching to him will not get you what you want. He is what he is...submit or walk away.

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ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist

Perhaps the person in question did not realize he'd made a promise and broken it? Sometimes these things happen. But one can hardly expect a relationship to last longer than a Mento if they just walk out when a stupid thing happens.