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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 10:29:00 AM

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It amazes me that some people who have been in a kinky lifestyle for years (or claim to have been) do not have the interest of knowledge on exploring and learning history.

For example: there have been symbols, signs and other methods of 'identification' for centuries. Do a bit of reaearch. There are no new ideas, just different ways of utilizing old ideas.

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 10:32:14 AM

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Again, there is a bit of a problem about going around dressed in what you would believe are lifestyle indicative clothing. You will come off as a Goth. Not a bad thing if you are into the whole Goth scene, or at least like their fashions. However, seeing someone in a corset with thick black collar won't automatically indicate they are into BDSM. They may or may not. Even if someone is wearing cuffs. They are becoming interesting fashion excessories as well. Not that Im complaining, because it makes getting such awesome clothes a lot easier when your local Hot Topic carries them. Personally I like wearing my choke chain and "bondage" pants wherever I go. I like the look.

A universal symbol will forever be something that the community will not have so long as it remains discrete. After all it is hard to agree on something when you don't even know it is on the board to agree with.

Personally Ive been thinking getting a few bumper stickers made with the mantra "Safe, Sane, Consentual" on them and sticking them on the car, but even the validity of that statement has been called into question with the up and coming RACK. Simply using the abbreviation SSC could also get you confused with organizations of the same abbreviation.

So universal symbols? Doubt it. Symbols you can use, sure. Here is hoping they bring the company you seek. Symbols with personal meaning, by all means. But please don't go around bugging the local Goths about whether or not they are into it.

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 10:52:03 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elegant

It amazes me that some people who have been in a kinky lifestyle for years (or claim to have been) do not have the interest of knowledge on exploring and learning history.

For example: there have been symbols, signs and other methods of 'identification' for centuries. Do a bit of reaearch. There are no new ideas, just different ways of utilizing old ideas.

To be fair, not everybody has had access to the internet or computers. Also there are folks like me who are relitively new to the BDSM "Play" aspects of the life style or who are, for example, Gorean and thus not really part of the BDSM Lifestyle but simply have an interest of certain aspects. With all I have on my plate, I certainly don't have neither time nor inclination at this pooint 5to study history. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not alone on this.

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 10:58:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elegant

It amazes me that some people who have been in a kinky lifestyle for years (or claim to have been) do not have the interest of knowledge on exploring and learning history.

For example: there have been symbols, signs and other methods of 'identification' for centuries. Do a bit of reaearch. There are no new ideas, just different ways of utilizing old ideas.

To be fair, not everybody has had access to the internet or computers. Also there are folks like me who are relitively new to the BDSM "Play" aspects of the life style or who are, for example, Gorean and thus not really part of the BDSM Lifestyle but simply have an interest of certain aspects. With all I have on my plate, I certainly don't have neither time nor inclination at this pooint 5to study history. I'm reasonably sure that I'm not alone on this.

I shall be fair and give to you the fact that not everyone has had access to the net or computers. But historical research was done long before computers were invented. *grin*

Regardless of if, why and when one became interested in a specific aspect of this ever growing lifestyle we all share it is not quite 'proper' to make fun of a tradition that you have no knowledge of. (hence why I avoid Gorean topics as I am not knowledgable of it,,,but Im willing to learn)

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 11:05:03 AM

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Fair comment. I hope I wasn't comming accross as making fun of traditions as this is not my style. The only references I have seen to Flagging was with the Gay Community some years ago and that only cropped up I a conversation with friends who are Gay. I tend to be extremely insular and often attend a monthly munch and perhaps attend a club every couple of months where I am either in conversation with a couple of friends debating Gor or watching demonstrations or as is my want sitting in a quiet darkened corner just watching people.

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 11:07:35 AM

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Well, if we ever win the lottery and travel around the world we'll come visit and have a good sit-down time together. smile

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 11:18:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Elegant

Well, if we ever win the lottery and travel around the world we'll come visit and have a good sit-down time together. smile

Don't forget to come and visit me too...

OH yeah! Does Archer have to come ? *w*

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 11:58:18 AM

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Ahhh you mean like the bumper stickers I used to produce which the Freemantle police used to have on their vehicals and various shop owners used to display which said "The Lords of Karmah Have Size 12 Boots and Blue Uniforms"?????? I likew your ideas.. BTW.

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We did this; i wanted a pink, lacey half-apron. LOL.

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 1:02:11 PM

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Don't forget to come and visit me too...

OH yeah! Does Archer have to come ? *w*

You will have to ask him. But do realise that if I came alone it would be as a loan and not a short-term ownership...grin

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 1:21:18 PM

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The similarities to a swastika are bit disturbing.

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 2:06:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: Driver1961

Mistress of Fire:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskele#BDSMdoesn't seem to address the most similar BDSM Triskele that I saw on television worn by buddist monks in Asia. The symbol represents to them, say, health, happiness and knowledge and is eons old. I believe these people would find the use of our symbol/their symbol highly sacriligous.

Regards ...........

Some information from the web that may be useful?

Why does the BDSM Emblem look like a Celtic Triskele (or some other ancient symbol I've seen)
Initially, because the Emblem drew its inspiration from the symbol in the rings worn in the book, The Story of O, which appeared to be described as Celtic Triskele. Furthermore, its resemblance to several other symbols provide it with camouflage. There is no reason for potentially hostile members of the vanilla public to suspect the Emblem's meaning because its similarity to other familiar designs makes it easily pass as just some pretty decoration.

http://members.aol.com/quagmyr/is.htm

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 2:20:46 PM

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Extend the curves to full circles and you have a tripple handcuff set which is, as we all know, usefull if someone has three hands or for cuffing a male two hands to his penis (when it's errect.. sort of a mix of forced masturbation and C&B Torture).

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 3:08:16 PM

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Perhaps a horseshoe nail ring. They are subtle and not in mass production.

You could use plating as significance for each person:

Gold, silver, copper, steel, iron.

You could set a stone to be more specific.

call dibs and kick it around.

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 3:57:11 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Driver1961

Mistress of Fire:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskele#BDSMdoesn't seem to address the most similar BDSM Triskele that I saw on television worn by buddist monks in Asia. The symbol represents to them, say, health, happiness and knowledge and is eons old. I believe these people would find the use of our symbol/their symbol highly sacriligous.

In that case, they're response to "our" use of the symbol will cause them suffering and they better let go of those feelings

On a more serious note, I think most buddhists wouldn't give a damn about it. It's just a symbol, and there's nothing in buddhist lore to condemn our lifestyle - on the contrary, I know quite a few buddhism oriented people who are in the lifestyle.

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 4:38:11 PM

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Initially, because the Emblem drew its inspiration from the symbol in the rings worn in the book, The Story of O, which appeared to be described as Celtic Triskele. Furthermore, its resemblance to several other symbols provide it with camouflage. There is no reason for potentially hostile members of the vanilla public to suspect the Emblem's meaning because its similarity to other familiar designs makes it easily pass as just some pretty decoration.

iamready

Those rings were my fav part of the book, LOL.

delectable pink

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RE: Public symbols - 2/17/2006 11:03:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

Perhaps a horseshoe nail ring. They are subtle and not in mass production.

You could use plating as significance for each person:

Gold, silver, copper, steel, iron.

You could set a stone to be more specific.

call dibs and kick it around.

Loki

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Now that's more of a practical response. The Triskele looks a bit like a swastika, and is easily confused with other representations. Additionally, by itself it does not indicate domme or sub orientation.

The "flag"/ bandana system is impractical. How many non-rednecks, non-gang members, can wear a bandana in an unobtrusive manner as part of their normal clothing?

I'm not sure that a horseshoe nail is really an appropriate symbol, or in any way theme-related, but it's creative.
ATP

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RE: Public symbols - 2/18/2006 12:03:21 AM

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I find that wearing my collar and cuffs everywhere (eternity rings - neck, wrists and ankles) seem to catch the eye of those who know...

and the quizzical dog stare from those who don't. (and interestingly, questions from the Pakistani/Indian merchants around of where I got them - apparently they LOVE stainless stuff)

Of course, it's kind of hard to stealth any in the vanilla world wearing 2.5 pounds of metal...

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RE: Public symbols - 2/18/2006 4:26:17 AM

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On a personal basis, I wear black pants, eithet slacks or black cargo pants and a black shirt with possibly a black jacket. I've been thought to be your local friendly Satanist, a Mafia Hit man or just some dude you dont want to mess with. Yet i still have people want to talk to me and kids want to play.... I like mystery and let those who have eyes, let them see. Lifestyle people pick me right off anyway.

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RE: Public symbols - 2/18/2006 12:13:09 PM

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http://www.equicraft.com/pics/ringlink.jpg have a look. After all it is about adopting a symbol right?

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RE: Public symbols - 2/18/2006 1:38:13 PM

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I find that wearing my collar and cuffs everywhere (eternity rings - neck, wrists and ankles) seem to catch the eye of those who know...

and the quizzical dog stare from those who don't. (and interestingly, questions from the Pakistani/Indian merchants around of where I got them - apparently they LOVE stainless stuff)

Of course, it's kind of hard to stealth any in the vanilla world wearing 2.5 pounds of metal...

Just out of curiosity how do you ge through the airport with those???

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