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ORIGINAL: Wolfie648
A slave would 'adopt' their owners, should there be a discrepancy.

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

In a D/s or M/s relationship, does the submissive or slave abrogate their morals and "adopt" those of their Dom or Master or Domme?candystripper

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Merriam-Webster defines KINK as a clever, unusual way of doing something...and I'm okay with that!
~ Me ~

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247
that this relationship is not about what pleases me or even what keeps me healthy and sane...it is about serving and pleasing HIM, period.

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Merriam-Webster defines KINK as a clever, unusual way of doing something...and I'm okay with that!
~ Me ~

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ORIGINAL: darkangel

Ideal situation is that you will not have submitted to someone to whom you could ever say no to. He or She would have the same morals, same ethics as yourself in the first place. Morals are not about limitations. They are part of who you are.

Peace and Rapture

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

In a D/s or M/s relationship, does the submissive or slave abrogate their morals and "adopt" those of their Dom or Master or Domme? What happens if a submissive or slave is asked to do something or not do something that is morally reprehensible to them but not their Dom/Master/Domme?

candystripper

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

In a D/s or M/s relationship, does the submissive or slave abrogate their morals and "adopt" those of their Dom or Master or Domme? What happens if a submissive or slave is asked to do something or not do something that is morally reprehensible to them but not their Dom/Master/Domme?

candystripper

Someone can be a slave and give their master their fielty, their devotion and their work... some might even go so far as to give their vote to their master.

But, their morality is never something that can ever be up for debate or dispensation to another.

Morality is not only one's personal ethos, it is their actions... the many ways in which a person could violate their personal morality is rife... but, suffice it to say that if and/or when someone does such a thing, they have changed their morality.

And, it is not their master's fault.. that is their personal descisionthat no agreement or contract can mitigate - - therefore it is their morality that they changed.

Responsibility for one's own actions is always a personal responsiblity.

As I mentioned in a thread elsewhere... if she were to 'rob a jewlery store'... I would hold her hand through the arrest, through the trial and I would feel very sorry for the situation... after I called the police.

~J

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ORIGINAL: IronBear
In one sence you are both correct. On a theoretical view, a kajira owns nothing when she is collared. Thus she will live, work and have her being as dictated my her Master and thus she will abide by what he deems to be morally correct.

Now the theory is good but it needs to be tempered with practicality. I would hope that a girl has spent enough time with her potential master so she has a very clear and concise picture of his morality, ethics and honour. If they dont match hers or are at odds with hers, I would hope that she gets on her bike and peddals as fast as she can. If, on the other hand, she and the Bloke are in agreement in all the important things and most of the smaller things, I'd say she is in with a chance....

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

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ORIGINAL: IronBear
In one sence you are both correct. On a theoretical view, a kajira owns nothing when she is collared. Thus she will live, work and have her being as dictated my her Master and thus she will abide by what he deems to be morally correct.

Now the theory is good but it needs to be tempered with practicality. I would hope that a girl has spent enough time with her potential master so she has a very clear and concise picture of his morality, ethics and honour. If they dont match hers or are at odds with hers, I would hope that she gets on her bike and peddals as fast as she can. If, on the other hand, she and the Bloke are in agreement in all the important things and most of the smaller things, I'd say she is in with a chance....

Heyya IB -

Just a few things...

Whereas 'hope' is eternal on the 'playing fields of the Gods', I would suggest that in the real world (that world in which we all actually live), there are those people who utilize someone's desire for 'honor' - their absolute willingness to allow themselves to be subserivent in an effort to belong and to find a psychological niche in their lives that they would forgoe a significant introduction and/or would avoid the absolute issues that a perfect relational dynamic would entail in an effort to be involved.

And, nobody's honor is always 100%... we all falter.

A second point is the ability of someone to not be ultimately responsible for their own actions (and, this does not matter if they are a kajirra, the guard at Abu-Ghrabi, or the policeman on the beat, or the accountant on the job)..

Whether they are or are not under the influence of a "dominant" personality (organization?) - everyone is individually responsible... to themselves, under the law and (should this be their basis) to their God. Attempted relegation of authority and responsibility never washes properly in a society where we are all held responsible for our own actions...

We are part of a sub-culture, but we are not seperate and autonimous from the society in which that sub-culture resides.

I am sure we might all come up with historical and legal parallels from the recent past where this has come to fruition in the news.

In a society that holds us responsible for our self, it is both impractical and a sincere schism with reality to state that "we" are responsible for the actions of another (or, that they should state with any reality that they are not responsible because of someone else) when they diverge from that which we (as a culture, a sub-culture, and as individuals) hold as sacrosanct and immutably our own.

Just a few thoughts.

~J

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i merely disagreed with the concept that i would abdicate my need to live an Honorable Life once i was collared.

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ORIGINAL: IronBear
I love garlic and onion sandwiches whilst watching cable TV at 2am followed by a good massage then a good head job

Remind me not to come over to supper (or later)

~J

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: candystripper
In a D/s or M/s relationship, does the submissive or slave abrogate their morals and "adopt" those of their Dom or Master or Domme?

If they choose to.

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What happens if a submissive or slave is asked to do something or not do something that is morally reprehensible to them but not their Dom/Master/Domme?

You either obey or ask to be released. Same as always.

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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing

Ideally, I would say that the servant does not enter into a long-term contract with an individual who blatantly does not share their ethics, or who the servant is concerned will not -at least- respect their ethics, in the same way that it would be an owner -asking- for trouble to accept a servant whom he or she -knew- blatantly did not respect hir ethics and moral perspectives.

Aside from that, depending on the depth of servitude, it is not unexpected for the servant to accept and even adopt their owner's ethical foundation, and, in some cases, for the owner to accept and even adopt some aspects of the servant's ethics, especially in dualist or very small polyamorous households, though this often takes years and years of discussion and development, since this is often the same foundation that the household and the relationship will be built on. This is the way that it works in almost every relationship, lifestyle or otherwise.

Lady Zephyr