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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/30/2005 3:09:19 PM   
jjjkkk


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Status: offline 		The most embarrassing and humiliating aspect of cross-dressing is the fact that the Mistress/domme decides to strip the man of his masculinity. Furthermore, if the domme decides that he has to dance and parade himself, she is undeniably making him uncomfortable as he is not accustomed to such roles. Furthermore, if she is enjoying and laughing at his "forced" predicament, it puts the slave in a position of degradation and humiliation, even though he is enjoying it. As a male, we are socially channeled to think that we have to be strong and protect the female, and as barbaric as that type of thinking may be, it is the pre-dominant message that is instilled in young boys to adulthood/manhood. The fact that a lovely mistress is stripping him of all that he was supposed to be belief in, makes the experience humiliating.
I hope this position clarifies the approach that many cross-dressers have since they do find the experience humiliating. Furthermore, dommes, should not be offended by the notion on principle, because it is not the being female, more so than the psychological and social implications of the experience.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/30/2005 5:03:13 PM   
interestinglyme


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Status: offline 		I hope this position clarifies the approach that many cross-dressers have since they do find the experience humiliating. Furthermore, dommes, should not be offended by the notion on principle, because it is not the being female, more so than the psychological and social implications of the experience.

I'm so glad that you chose to clarify the position of many crossdressers. I'm sure at your age, you've had years and years of experience in dealing with crossdressers of all types and orientations.FURTHERMORE, shouldn't you lighten up a little since you've just posted a profile today, and made one comment?

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/30/2005 5:16:25 PM   
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FURTHERMORE, shouldn't you lighten up a little since you've just posted a profile today, and made one comment?


I don't think jjjkkk is being overbearing. He merely stated his opinion, without criticizing anyone. Perhaps you might like to take your own advice.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/30/2005 8:53:46 PM   
AAkasha


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ORIGINAL: interestinglyme

I hope this position clarifies the approach that many cross-dressers have since they do find the experience humiliating. Furthermore, dommes, should not be offended by the notion on principle, because it is not the being female, more so than the psychological and social implications of the experience.

I'm so glad that you chose to clarify the position of many crossdressers. I'm sure at your age, you've had years and years of experience in dealing with crossdressers of all types and orientations.FURTHERMORE, shouldn't you lighten up a little since you've just posted a profile today, and made one comment?


How do you know he didn't have a profile before and has posted many times, and this is just a new one? A lot of people (yourself included, apparently) get accounts over and over again and keep re-inventing themselves. You might have worn out your welcome a little earlier this time than before based on the responses you've been getting. Didn't you say "this is my last post" about four posts ago? Pretty dramatic?

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/30/2005 10:00:33 PM   
jjjkkk


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Status: offline 		Well, I would like to thank onceburned and AAkasha for defending me.
To interestinglyme, the purpose of a discussion board is to exchange ideas, and I was simply expressing my idea. If you do have problems with my view, attack it on the basis of it's merits and not on the basis of your perception of me. Furthermore, my age or lack thereof does not prevent me from establishing a view on matters and it certainly does not prevent me from exercising a right to express it.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/31/2005 5:25:12 AM   
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FURTHERMORE, shouldn't you lighten up a little since you've just posted a profile today, and made one comment?


How black is your kettle?

For someone hiding behind their own new persona, you're attacking already? Geez!

K

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/31/2005 8:50:08 AM   
tasha_tart


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Status: offline 		A few observations, all just my opinion of course:

If someone truly needs to be forced, and finds it truly humiliating...I don't think he's a crossdresser.

If he uses manipulation, etc to get his way, in dressing as in anything else, he's topping from the bottom...same as any other "one issue" sub.

For the most part, the CDs I know dress because it is part of who they are, not just a sub game that they need someone to play with them. A couple have actually realized that they are trans-gendered, and are now in the process of reassignment.

Of course my sample is a bit skewed. The CDs I know are confident enough to go out, don't look like drag queens, are reasonably passable, and are just happier with themselves dressed. I would say that most of them are not sub in any way.

It does distress me a wee bit, how much CDs are looked down upon, even in a forum such as this.

Tasha

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/31/2005 10:13:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tasha_tart

It does distress me a wee bit, how much CDs are looked down upon, even in a forum such as this.


I must admit that I was surprised by your comment. I hadn't gotten the impression that crossdressers were looked down upon. I think most of us here have an attitude of "whatever works for you".

But I do think there is a lack of enthusiasm for participating in crossdressing play.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/31/2005 10:24:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, I think that Tasha has hit on part of why there is so little enthusiasm for CD play----that "real" CDs are not generally submissive. Men who want to dress as part of their daily lives will do it no matter what----I am always giving fashion tips to men who IM me wanting to dress. They go out shopping (discreetly) and send me the pics of what they bought! Dressing is something they do for personal need/satisfaction, and they can do it on their own if need be.


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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/31/2005 12:09:35 PM   
RosaB


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Status: offline 		I would say that cross dressers like any other group of people are multidimentional. Some are confident, some not. Yes the fulfillment for many comes from the actual dressing up, but for some, they need that approval from a mate or someone outside themselves. And hence why "some" just like with a few fetishist, will seek out a dominant women that may be more open to them dressing up. Its not necessarily that they get off on being forced, they may just enjoy that they can be dressed in woman's garb and not have to feel quilty period.

Some of these individuals (the closeted CDs,) like to dress up, but just don't have the confidence to do it without permission. Like other people that have feelings outside of what's considered the norm, many people live their lives closeted for a variety of reasons. So, I don't think we can lump any group into one way of going about what they do to fulfill their inner selves. So, yes I believe that some CDs try to pass themselves off as being submissive, just to feel comfortable dressing up. Are they bad people, not all, some yes (as in any group,) being more honest about it would be helpful to all involved.

Rosa

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/31/2005 3:07:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tasha_tart

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If he uses manipulation, etc to get his way, in dressing as in anything else, he's topping from the bottom...same as any other "one issue" sub.

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It does distress me a wee bit, how much CDs are looked down upon, even in a forum such as this.

Tasha


I certainly did not mean to give an impression of looking down upon crossdressers. One of My dear friends is a very passable cd, and we have a riot together. He is not quite as submissive as I like a boy to be.
My biggest objection is the large number of boys who insist on being forced into crossdressing, beg, whine and plead for it, and they are, in fact, topping from below. They are not submisive at all unless they are dressed. Their entire submission is based on being in feminine attire. When the clothes come off, the alpha male is back. I am not interested in that, so I usually will not deal with a boy who has that much importance attached to this particular fetish.
I don't look down on them. I just consider it alot of work, and it is not My favorite fetish, so I am not a match for these boys.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/31/2005 5:21:56 PM   
tasha_tart


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Status: offline 		In re-reading my previous post, I realized that it may have sounded like I was dissing drag queens. That was in no way my intention.

Drag queens are in a class by themselves, and generally put a lot more effort into their look than I do.


Tasha

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/31/2005 6:38:35 PM   
sheep


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Status: offline 		I find it incredibly humiliating to be forced into feminization, even if only because my body is definitely male, and I am not passable whatsoever. I know I look ridiculous. It's also a huge turn on, when it's forced and it's her idea. I enjoy wearing frilly things, but it's not something I've ever really asked for or insisted on. I've played with Dommes who were not interested and so we never went there (there are so many other fun things to do), but I've always really adored playing with the Dommes who liked to force feminize.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 10/31/2005 10:15:11 PM   
planomaid


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Status: offline 		I can't speak for anyone else, but I think that crossdressers run the gamut - from those who would die having to act or wear any article of feminine clothing to those whom you have to beat to keep them OUT of your panites! Personally I lie somewhere between the two poles. I don't consider it at all demeaning to be put in a dress or maids uniform and serve a lady in it. I enjoy the feeling of the materials, of the gentle tugs of the lingerie, the differences that wearing heels makes in your stance and movement. However, as a fully assimilated male member of society, I would be deathly afraid of being seen by someone else while attired that way - well that is for everyone but the person whom I am serving. That's where (for me anyways) the boundary lies.

Let's face it, womens' attire is meant to showcase the feminine body. Because women wear all kinds of clothing, I don't think they quite grasp what it means to be male and to wear female-styled clothing. And why should they? There simply isnt' crossdressing for women, not today anyways. Maybe if we went back to the antebellum times where women wore hoop skirts and corsets all the time and a woman would put on a pair of pants they would know what it is like. It's not a good thing / bad thing - it just is.

Many of the women that I talk to about clothing take for granted what it feels like to wear soft and silky clothing. They enjoy the fabrics themselves, but they are so used to it that they don't always think about how different it is from normal every-day mens wear. I suppose if a woman were to wear just plain cotton bra's and panties and regular pants and shirts for a month and then were to dress in silky lingerie, it would come somewhat close to what it feels like as a man to do that.

Anyway, that's just my opinion on it.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 11/1/2005 11:36:19 AM   
LadyHibiscus


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Status: offline 		Plenty of women wear plain cotton underwear, and hate slithery satins!

Not me personally, but many of my friends. I also find it interesting that men often like the girdles, garter belts, and similarly inconvenient items that women would merrily toss aside for good!

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 11/1/2005 2:16:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Plenty of women wear plain cotton underwear, and hate slithery satins!

Not me personally, but many of my friends. I also find it interesting that men often like the girdles, garter belts, and similarly inconvenient items that women would merrily toss aside for good!

LOL. I couldn't agee more with the latter sentiment....I'm pretty sure i don't even own a garter belt, and I know I've never owned a girdle. I must confess to having a liking for corsets, when I want a more fetishy look. In fact a Domme friend and I went to a custom corset maker, and got matching corsets, though in different colours....of course it looks much better on her.

I love the feel of satin (though cotton seems more practical for day-to-day) but it is a bit unforgiving when I'm overdue on shaving...LOL

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 11/11/2005 3:20:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow..........i never realised how many Dommes disliked crossdressing and to such a degree.....i thought it was just my little twist on it they didn't care for....well that could still have something to do with it:-) anyways......i think they should probably expand the number of descriptions from just "forced" crossdressing to include more options. i have it listed even though i enjoy being a girl very much. For me, the forced part comes into play because i am trying to live my daily, private life as much as realisticaly possible as girl. This means that when i am in private i should always be dressed but sometimes i just get lazy or i just get tired of changing outfits all the time. As far as the humliation goes, sure i love being a girl but it can still be humliating too. Its kinda complicated and all of us have different twists on the fantasy. Anyways i always thought women would enjoy having a fem slave to care for them and pamper them. i always thought of myself as a wife for them. Anyways such is life
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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 11/13/2005 11:19:57 AM   
HeavenlyCeleste


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Status: offline 		There are a lot of reasons a Domina would partake in this particular fetish. Some women just enjoy humiliating their slaves. Others may do it to teach them a lesson. Ocassionally a slave can get a bit "too big for his britches" so it's effective to take away the britches and make him wear a skirt. Many times, a Domina will engage in forced feminization as a reward for Her slave if it is a fetish of his. I'm sure there are many more reasons for this. These are just a few.

I hope this helps.

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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 11/19/2005 7:34:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am so pleased with all the verious discussions. It has been well said that most women take their dressing for granted ie. the fabric feel, texture even style (girdles, garterbelts etc.). I as a cd/tv admire and love the feel and look of all garments. My alter side is very femme and submissive. A woman who enjoys bringing that out is wonderful.
Only two former Dominant Women have truly taped that with me the rest seem to shy from it. Yes I adore going shopping with a Dominant seeing her hold up something feminine and saying "You will look lovely in this" or "we shall get two one for me and the other you"
In conclusion I do enjoy having my femme side brought out and taught to be feminine there are certain areas that are humiliating, or out of character for a male but the Domme's interests and likes are important if she enjoys her lesbian sub to learn to be femme for her, she is one I yearn to find.
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RE: Forced Crosdressing - 11/19/2005 8:01:26 AM   
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Only two former Dominant Women have truly taped that with me the rest seem to shy from it.


Welcome to the Message Forum, Misty Ann.

I just want to point out, that the majority posts here aren't from Dominas that are "shying" away from it, as much as they just don't enjoy it. There's a bit of a difference, as I see it.

K

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