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RE: my thoughts on the "gift" of submission - 7/22/2004 11:34:07 PM

Estring

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Berlin, you are saying that you will fall in love with anyone who comes along? That you have no control? I don't believe that for a second. If you don't choose, who does? Love only happens when you decide to let it happen. Nobody can make you love them. Just as nobody can make you submit to them if you don't want to.

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RE: my thoughts on the "gift" of submission - 7/23/2004 8:02:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: muse

We do choose to breath and for our blood to flow. We have the right and ability to end our lives any moment we choose. Not the best karma to send out but it is still a choice. As for the choosing who we love, *sighs* i can only wish this were always true. Many a heart has been broken by loving one who was not capable to return the love.

We do have the right. We do have the ability. I concur, muse. I also agree that it would do some serious damage on the karma side, for those of us who believe in that, to make a negative choice. Not everyone does (believe in Karma). There have been times when I've come close to considering that right, and that ability, but that will to live is awfully strong. lol

If you ask me what my friend Sam's phone number is, I will not be able to tell you. Hand me a phone, and I'll dial it, while continuing the conversation with you, and hand you the phone. No problem. So consciously, no, I'm not aware that I "choose" to breathe, or even that I am breathing, other than that "I guess I'm dead" feeling is missing, lol. But I am aware that I could certainly "choose" not to, if the required conditions were present. *ahem* This is one of those things that could go round and round forever, until someone says, "Loooook, I'll show ya..." Oh My!!! lol And we certainly don't want to go there!!! lol If people can bend spoons with their mind, maybe they can control their blood flow.

Ya never know!!!

Regarding whether or not we "choose" who we love. I can't actually go out on a "limb" here, with what I am about to say, because I stay on one pretty much all the time. I confess...I live on a limb. *sigh* Of Course we do!!! And I have loved some absolutely Incredible people, and still do. My heart has never been broken by someone leaving, or by a "break-up", or in any "relationship" associated way. So I can't actually relate to that aspect of it. However, I do feel it when someone I care about is hurting as a result of relationship pain. Pain is an indicator that something is wrong. There's a problem. Problems can generally be fixed with some time, communication, honesty, sincere application, and Mickey Mouse bandaids. So good, or bad, when that feeling, all warm and wonderful, tugs on our heart strings...we make the choice whether or not to respond. We choose.

That was my two common cents...and the coffee is good.

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RE: my thoughts on the "gift" of submission - 7/23/2004 9:54:20 AM

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Greetings A/all,

Once again i'd like to submit my humble opinion on a topic...

First, i very much agree that my submission is a gift bestowed upon me. Secondly, i would also concur with the idea that a Dominant's Mastery over me is likewise a gift to myself. All this being said, i do believe that my submission is a gift to my One. Please allow me to explain...

my submission is a gift to my future Master. When i submit to a Master i give of myself to Him. i do not do this lightly or in any sort of play sense - i am simply unable to do so. i chose to give this, it is not taken. This i realize contradicts O/others' views however, it is the best (and realistically only) option available to myself. If it were any way otherwise i would not be partaking willingly. Can one truly give of themselves completely if they do not desire to do such?

my submission is a gift to the world.
i strive to live myself in a way that i might bring some peace, kindness, understanding, reassurance, love, friendship - whatever i may be able to bring to the particular situation. i was blessed with qualities and strengths - my place is to strengthen these as much as possible and give of them so that others might benefit. i hold myself to higher standards than i do others. Can i be perfect? sigh* no Can i continually strive for perfection so that i can grow, learn & mature and better assist others? Yes! Could i do anything less than this? No!

In short, i see my submission as a gift because if i did not i would not be able to give of myself so freely & fully. Submission is not something i do because it pushes one of my kink buttons but because i feel fulfilled in being given the opportunity to please, to assist and to serve.

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RE: my thoughts on the "gift" of submission - 7/23/2004 10:05:53 AM

CuriousPuppy

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

Berlin, you are saying that you will fall in love with anyone who comes along? That you have no control? I don't believe that for a second. If you don't choose, who does? Love only happens when you decide to let it happen. Nobody can make you love them. Just as nobody can make you submit to them if you don't want to.

I don't think that's what she's saying at all :). You don't choose who you love though, you can work at making it happen, you can try to make yourself dislike a person, you can even find reasons to convince yourself not to love them and decide not to acknowledge that love... but when it comes right down to it, love is something that just happens on its own :).

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RE: my thoughts on the "gift" of submission - 7/23/2004 10:09:45 AM

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Can i be perfect?

"Imperfection" is the Human Condition. Therefore I aver, we are all perfect in that.

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RE: my thoughts on the "gift" of submission - 7/23/2004 2:33:09 PM

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I know you two are discussing Karma and stuff, but I gotta quote Rush. (The band not Limbaugh.

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If you choose not to decide
you still have made a choice

We now return you to you existential topic.

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RE: my thoughts on the "gift" of submission - 7/23/2004 2:35:26 PM

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"Imperfection" is the Human Condition. Therefore I aver, we are all perfect in that.

Lady Beckett

All generalizations are wrong. Especially this one.

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RE: my thoughts on the "gift" of submission - 7/23/2004 2:43:36 PM

iwillserveu

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Sorry Pixie,

This is hardly a reply to what you wrote but more of an IMO. (Actually I agree with you but why praise when I can blather about myself?

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I do not see my submission as a gift. It is going to happen almost of it's own accord if I have any feelings for the person. (For me, submission must be based in love [in a general sense that includes all the "good" emotions]) Is my exhaling carbon dioxide a gift to my fern? How about it giving off oxygen in daylight, is that a gift to me. (No, not quasi-religiously, I mean like $5 in a birthday card, not a sunset.

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