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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

Malaki, by the very definition of the Master/slave relationship, hasn't a slave given blanket consent to whatever treatment the Master desires, just by the fact of giving herself to him in slavery? once you are property, the issue of consent is moot imo. but with M/s relationships aside...one can indeed "consent" to abuse, such as consenting to be burned alive, to be pimped out to strangers, to absolutely anything one can imagine. the fact that there was consent does not change the fact that (by definition) the acts were abusive.

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ORIGINAL: anopheles
Are there those that enjoy a look genuine hurt on a submissive?

--Anopheles

m'Lord IronBear -

A single gesture of acknowledgement that you offer is worth a thousands blessings from one less worthy - I am forever in awe. Thank You for being such a blessing. Ach, and now I gush...

Auralise

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However, i am very protective of my Master. i have much to learn about keeping my emotions at bay when i feel as though He has been repeatedly attacked. This is why i asked if others felt if they had been attacked and that is why their posts were worded the way they were. i have always been very protective over those i love. Somehow, this protectiveness is multiplied when it comes to Him. i wrote what i wrote in hopes to get everyone on my ass and off of His. He doesnt need my protection - it simply comes with my love.

It is wonderful that your loyalty to your Master is so obvious. However, I saw no attacks, no ridicule on Him at all from what I have understood on this post. In the same response, there was no attack by Him to anyone. An original thought was placed across -a view, a rant... something He is entitled to do, just as othrs are entitled to respond with their views - and if they do not meld or crossover, that is not an attack - but a well thought out meaningful discussion. If you place your words on a screen, on a board, in a book or out into the general public then you have to expect a response. Even ones you may not like. I am sure in the time He and yourself have spent here, I am sure you have both been witness to various 'flames' and personal insults. But treating words with ridicule or taking them too personally is only submitting to the feelings of anger and fear - and on a thread about abuse, is there not a hint of subtle irony there?

Well met Auralise - may your journey be fruitful and your path be long with He Whom commands you.

Much Peace and Love

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It seems as though many persons that are actually guilty of Domestic Violence join our lifestyle in order to get a free pass to do as they wish under the self-proclaimed title of Master or Dom. These self-professed “Masters” seem to misunderstand the meaning and responsibility of a Master to his (or her) slave. These animals seem to have found a niche for themselves in the BDSM world specifically to make it easier for themselves to have and abuse a mate with little or no recourse. Those in the “vanilla” world may look at many of us and see us as odd at best and abusive at worst. Some in the lifestyle know the difference between an abusive relationship a/k/a domestic violence to that of discipline/ punishment between a Master / Dom and his slave/ sub. But what of those newer to the lifestyle that don’t comprehend the difference between the two and endure years of abuse in order to be true to their soul’s calling as a submissive or slave? There should be a special room reserved in hell for these bastards.

Malaki

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Iron Bear -

See that is the issue... I have been accused of "abuse" by people who claim to be in the same "lifestyle" I am, simply because what I did "squicked them". And, we are "assuming" upon the author of this rant to infer that much upon his writing - therefore the request for information about what 'is' and 'is not' abuse in his eyes.

Also, I did not 'sign up' for anything - so, the vapid renderings of those two authors/articles you mentioned are not ordained as inherent in any relational dynamic I am a part of.... there was never a proper vote on it where I was apprised of the resultants

I find it most interesting (in a sub-culture that is considered an anathema to the 'norm') that people adopt such grand manifestos without any real or critical consideration of their content...

Anyhow, that is 'my' rant... for the morning...

Now I will see if the author shall reply.

~J aka LordofDiscipline


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RE: Misuse of Terms - Abuse? - 10/2/2005 4:56:38 AM

Many have said my relationship is abusive, why? mainly because that is not how they conducted their relationship, and so because they were seeing my relationship thru their eyes instead

IronBear

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ORIGINAL: WickedKev

Abuse is such a genral term, and like all terms means differant things to differant people. For me anyone that strikes out in anger is not a Dominant/Master or anthing resembling it. If you can't control yourself how can you control someone else? A qliche'? Maybe but a very valid one.