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Thanatosian -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/14/2004 10:28:55 AM)

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and fed lo-carb cheesecake
while chained to the eyebolts in the kitchen, she might have to paint it.


would painting the low carb cheesecake make it more palatable???[;)]

(please realize this is entirely in jest - I have yet to meet a cheesecake that I dont like - but then again I am of Welsh descent and so love cheese)




Leonidas -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/14/2004 10:55:01 AM)

Hey!! How did you know about the eye-bolts in the kitchen? Have you been to my house?

[laughing]

Leonidas




proudsub -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/14/2004 3:54:51 PM)

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She wants to be with me, ravaged constantly, beaten silly, and fed lo-carb cheesecake
while chained to the eyebolts in the kitchen, she might have to paint it.


Sounds good to me[;)]




January -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/14/2004 4:02:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
She wants to be with me, ravaged constantly, beaten silly, and fed lo-carb cheesecake
while chained to the eyebolts in the kitchen, she might have to paint it.


Paint it before or after?




Sinergy -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/14/2004 4:38:03 PM)

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Paint it before or after?


If she starts painting it before, I would have to take a shower with her to clean her up for the other stuff, which would probably make me randy and do her while I played with the water temperature controls. (ravage, water on her, hot cold hot cold cold hot cold...)

If I wait until after, I might be too randy to want to waste our time together watching her paint and insist we go take a shower instead.

Decisions, decisions.

Split the difference, Half before, half after.

*makes a mental note to have a piece of cheese cake painted for Thanatosian when he visits*

Sinergy




angelthighhighs -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/15/2004 6:43:54 PM)

i wanted to thank you for this post i learned more in the few minutes of reading this than all the sites i've read...and the Gorean's i've spoken with. not saying anything bad about them, just mean i could understand what you were saying and how you were saying it.




January -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/15/2004 7:11:56 PM)

Leonidas,

I'm taking you up on your gracious offer to answer questions about Goreans. I hope they aren't too silly.

How many Goreans have you personally met? How did you find each other? Do you have Gorean-specific get-togethers (parties)? How many people show up if you do? What are the parties like?

How does a non-Gorean tell the difference between a RL Gorean and an online Gorean--especially on the internet? (Sheesh, that romantic art I like may have been created by online Goreans!)

If you were out on the street in some strange city, would you be able to recognize a fellow Gorean you'd never met before?

Thank you!

January




Leonidas -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/15/2004 7:34:40 PM)

Hi January,

Happy to oblige.

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How many Goreans have you personally met? How did you find each other? Do you have Gorean-specific get-togethers (parties)? How many people show up if you do? What are the parties like?


It's dozens over the years, maybe as many as a hundred, but certainly not hundreds. My first introduction to Goreans was through a girl friend. I had no prior D/s exposure to that. There were roughly two dozen men and women in that group. There was a time when I hosted Gorean get togethers at my house, 10 free people, as many or more slaves was typical. The parties were not play parties by any means. They were relatively quiet gatherings. Cook-outs by the pool. Slaves playing naked volleyball in the pool sometimes. (good old days). Goreans often have camp-out type get togethers. They draw a similar number of people, sometimes more. Again, they are quiet by D/s standards. Gorean men tend to be physical, so there are often contests of strenth and such at these. Some groups of Goreans are basically motorcycle gangs. I hang with them once in a while, but I'm not a hard-core biker, so I'm really on the fringe of those.

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How does a non-Gorean tell the difference between a RL Gorean and an online Gorean--especially on the internet? (Sheesh, that romantic art I like may have been created by online Goreans!)


You can tell an online Gorean for a couple of reasons. One, they are just there for the slaves. Hardly ever say a word to another man. Gorean men appreciate the company of other Gorean men. Our value system is different, and so its a little like being in a foreign country sometimes. If you see a man ignoring the other men and focused exclusively on the slaves, you are looking at an online Gorean. The second reason that I can tell is that they simply don't understand our values. They treat their slaves like submissive girlfriends, and kowtow to their whims. They mince words (you've probably noticed that I don't). They don't talk about what they do (pride in one's profession is a key Gorean trait). Again, they're just there for the slaves. The art is an attempt to capture the culture. Our "cinderella" stories involve the struggles and ultimate submission of slave girls. Our dances and songs reflect the same. Female slavery to us is the highest expression of romance.

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If you were out on the street in some strange city, would you be able to recognize a fellow Gorean you'd never met before?


Can I tell another Gorean walking down the street? Not really. I can tell a man who could be though. We have a saying: Be strong and do as you will, the swords of others will set you your limits. You can see it in the way a man addresses himself to the day. The way that he stands in front of you and shakes your hand. You can tell, without even a word, that to insult this man would be to invite a fight. You have yourself seen men that have that kind of character. They may not be Gorean men, but they could be.

Hope this helps

Take care of yourself

Leonidas




angelthighhighs -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/15/2004 8:32:20 PM)

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How does a non-Gorean tell the difference between a RL Gorean and an online Gorean--especially on the internet?


not to step on Leonidas Sirs toes as he knows more about Gor than i, but from a sub/slaves point of view...the way i tell is in how they treat me. those that i've come across that only "play" Gor usually can not handle that i'm opinionate, while still respectful...those that i've known that believe in the philosophys and try to live it...seem to respect me more. to listen to things i have to say, while perhaps not agreeing with them. they respect me as a person. they don't try to hurry up and slap a ko'lar around my neck thinking that will shut me up lol




January -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/16/2004 5:41:45 AM)

Thank you, Leonidas!

January




Sinergy -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/16/2004 6:05:27 AM)

Hello,

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Food for thought... if 90% of the people online prefer the fantasy of Gor to the reality... and online is a relatively accurate representation of the real world population...


While I love the viewpoints listed in this thread on the Gorean lifestyle, which I dont practice but find intriguing, I did have an issue with this sentence.

Only a percentage of the real world population is represented by the people on-line. This would be the percentage of people a) with access to a computer and b) literate.

Sinergy




Leonidas -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/16/2004 6:08:06 AM)

The "play" Goreans as you call them are just out of their depth if you don't follow the script. What makes it easy for a beginner to play a role in a role-play game is that there is a script, and a set of rules. When I say this, you are supposed to do that. If I do this, you are supposed to respond this way. Needless to say, real people don't generally behave according to a script like that. When you don't, the role-play Gorean doesn't know what to do next.

When and if you run across a Gorean man, he knows full well that he's not talking to a Gorean girl from about the second thing that you say. The fact that you are there just indicates that you are curious, and he'll treat you accordingly. He won't expect that you comport yourself as a Gorean slave unless you claim to be one. In other words, he won't insist that you be anything, he'll just be what he is.

Take care of yourself.

Leonidas




Leonidas -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/16/2004 6:20:59 AM)

Hi Sinergy,

Yes, the folks that come on line do have in common that they have computers, and know how to read. What I was explaining earlier is that large numbers (probalby even the majority) of the "Goreans" that you will find online (as opposed to Goreans in general) are playing a role-play game. Goreans in general tend to be tight-knit, and exclusive, whereas these online venues are come one, come all, and pretty much anything goes as long as you use the right greeting and follow the script.

I missed the most obvious answer to Januiary's question about how to tell an online Gorean. In many cases, all you have to do is ask. Many of them will tell you that they are online only. If you go into a "Gorean" chatroom, just ask. Do you folks know each other offline? Do you ever meet? Usually the answer will be no.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas




MistressDREAD -> RE: Slave for sale? (7/20/2004 2:00:31 AM)

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Poor men in north africa routinely sell off daughters because they can't afford to feed them, and the thinking is that they will be better off in the house of a well off owner than starving at home.


fyi
rich men in the USA sell off their kids as well just because they dont want them, into much the same
unconcensual slavery and even ship them over seas. and poor men in the USA sell off their kids for the cash to support a drug habit. At least the african man took his actions out of care.
Its always easy to talk about what sumone does far away but most donnot want to open their own back
doors and see whats in front of them.
nonconcensual slavery is so rampad in the USA right now that the president feels that he has to address this issue on a political forum and its a hot topic. Better watch out We just might all be pushed back into the closets when the Official BDSM wipeout task force is formed.
Voltare, why do You laugh at the way others choose *concensually* with in the Alternate Lifestyle to live? A concensual slave chooses to give up their being to their Owner and The Owner chooses to sell Their posession. If the act is concensual between adults there is nothing wrong in it that I can see if it hurts no one and follows Ones desires and pursuit of happiness.. Its when its done nonconcensually that its not right. One does not need to be Gorean to be a part of a M/s slaves sale. We all are quite aware that everything that We do in Alternate Lifestyles breaks a law sum where and anyone here whom professes to have not broke one at sum time in thier Life I can probably debate that to a sucessfull end. LOL
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