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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 9/18/2005 9:00:07 AM

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Does corporate advertising count as brainwashing? If it wasn't effective, why else would they spend billions to manipulate our behavior?

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 9/18/2005 2:19:38 PM

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I think AustinEmigre put a lot of effort into a very good example of mental manipulation. Which is what I think "brain washing and conditioning " break down to. The topic of this thread is quite interesting. SO much so that I have read through the replies twice which is very unusual for me.

The Armed Forces of many countries have studied Brain Washing and mind control intensely for generations. They have done this for obvious reasons. On a very basic level, people are not much different than machines when it comes to being able to change their programming. A bit more complex but very possible.

It occurred to me while reading this thread for a second time that brain washing is a universally used term but having different levels of meaning for different users of the word. DaddynSlave asks if this has happened to anyone relating to the BDSM community. AustinEmgre offers some great examples of modern day mind conditioning.

I would like to offer my view in the form of a question. Aren’t we all products of our environment and exposure to experiences? Isn’t Brainwashing or manipulation or our thoughts a continuous process as we walk through our daily lives? Haven’t we all changed our mind at some point on some subject based on exposure to new information or experience? Isn’t it always the intension of nearly everyone to convince the person they are communicating with to understand and believe in what they believe?

These are the things I thought of when reading this thread. It is very thought provoking. I wish I had thought of it. LOL

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 9/18/2005 5:25:16 PM

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So you really wanna brain wash your slave it sounds to me like you want a doormat and not a slave because if you because i can tell you one thing my Master would never brain wash me but that is just him and i am his slave. To be honest with you i dont think it would be to good for any D's relationship especially if you love them

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Well, umm no He doesn't want to brain wash me... He just had people telling Him that i must be brainwashed to want to do the evil sadistic things He wishes upon me... and i think you think that Daddy posted this also... Daddy would never do such a thing, i am His slave, and W/we love each other as more then just a D/s

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 9/18/2005 5:30:56 PM

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I experienced something similar - one of my close friends from school thought that Master had me (and still does) have me brainwashed into submission by exploiting knowledge of past abuse.

A LOT of my friends are seriously cool with the lifestyle and want to learn more, but there is a select few that know about this... that say that i must have been molested or raped, or just plain psycho to want this lifestyle. BUT most of them are so brainwashed by todays society that they don't know whats right or wrong till Pres. Bush tells them.

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 9/18/2005 7:35:55 PM

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"Brainwashing" is a political rather than technical term. There are a wide range of techniques in use all over the world in a wide variety of circumstances to alter people's attitudes and beliefs. If you don't like the folks doing the altering, it's 'brainwashing'. If you do, it's anything from 'education' or 'indoctrination' to NLP. I think there are two substantially seperate issues: whether the techniques are dangerous in themselves, as many are; and whether the subject shares the goals of the conditioning. People pay big bucks to have their little brains laundered so that they will be better salesmen, more efficient on the job, better in bed, etc. To the degree that the technique is safe and effective, I don't have a problem with that.

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 9/19/2005 2:05:46 AM

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I've been brainwashed into doing things, but not in a BDSM context. I was in an extremely abusive relationship for several years. I was brainwashed into thinking I deserved the severe physical and emotional abuse that I received. Of course, I know better now, but the scars still sting sometimes. I consider brainwashing someone to do something they truly don't want to a form of abuse. You have to fuck with someone's head first to get them to do what they wouldn't normally, and that's just not right (unless of course, it's agreed to).

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 9/19/2005 3:24:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tristan

Does corporate advertising count as brainwashing? If it wasn't effective, why else would they spend billions to manipulate our behavior?

Of course it does. All advertising to some degree is behaviour modification (which may as well be included in the general term of "brain washing". It takes time but it usually works. I do a flyer run for about 500 to 1000 homes every 2 weeks. I have a selection of 4 flyers I wish to distribute, so the same houses get a different flyer each fortnight for four periods and then the process is repeated. Now the sucess rate is in the range of 1/1000, but after one sucess I know from experience, neighbours have either heard or seen the products/results and are more likely to call me when they are in the "buying cycle". Its the numbers game. I know that when I want something done in the yard or electrically, instrad of doing a yellow pages search I'll grab a flyer from a local tradesman and call him. If I'm happy I simply add him to my contacts list.

Some time ago I saw a report from Encyclopedia Britanica where they found that the largest purchasers of their product was their own salesmen. they further noted that salesmen are the softest targets for sales because they were programmed to buy (self programming of customers makes the customer more suceptable)

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 9/19/2005 6:03:48 AM

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why else would they spend billions to manipulate our behavior?

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i wasn't aware they WERE..........but then.......i'm a 60's child.......i walk to my own drum. always did always will the last rebel WITH a cause.......they called it a-movement.....and i STILL believe in it..........

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 9/28/2005 7:25:52 PM

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wow this post is a bit weird for me personally as my 'x' told me the first 2 months we were together he was going to brainwash me... i'm so dumb i thought i did (planted a seed)... and really strangely enough... the Brainwashing 101, i thought was freaking hot!

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 10/1/2005 1:07:53 PM

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I cringe when I hear people who have never owned a well adjusted dog, talk about conditioning another human being.

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 10/1/2005 1:24:33 PM

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i think that sometimes when people run into behavior or beliefs that are different from their own, and maybe scare and/or attract them to a lifestyle they "think" should repel them, brainwashing is term that's tossed out, cuz we all know that it's not a good thing to happen. My take on the whole idea of brainwashing is that if were "easy" i woulda practiced it religiously when i had 3 teenagers (and assorted friends) in the house..lol.

i'm sure there are people who have done it and experienced it, but i don't think it's something that applies to the marjority of people in their daily lives, no matter what side of the coin you're on.

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 10/3/2005 2:01:52 PM

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i saw the scientologists giving free "stress tests" outside of a grocery store the other day. *shudder*

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 10/3/2005 2:38:04 PM

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Perhaps I'm reaching or I'm just plain ignorant, but after thinking about the term "brainwashing" in the context of BDSM, the thought that the made the big impact for me was this (by no means exclusive): Brainwashing - How do I get my sub to do and think what I want her to? Brainwashed: My sub does what I tell her to do strictly because of the training I imposed.

Now I do realize that there is a huge latitude for interpretation here. My point is that (as D said just a couple of hours ago), power doesn't only flow one way, just as one cannot strictly and comprehensively be responsible for all outcomes good and bad. Seems to me that in a SSC PE relationship one cannot be "brainwashed" unless one wishes to be.

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(D was just down here and she reminded me of the aformentioned "Stockholm Syndrome" as I read her this post. My response to her was that "in a Safe, Sane, Consentual situation one cannot be made to do what one doesn't wish to do, whether they have been given a direction or not, which speaks to the question of trust and responsibility, but that's for another topic and post.)

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 10/3/2005 4:31:16 PM

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I tried brainwashing a slave one time. She just ended up with an ear-full of soap. Some things seem like a good idea until you actually try them.

Maybe next time use a Q-tip?

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RE: brainwashing your slave/sub - 10/3/2005 7:58:53 PM

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"Brainwashing" is a term coined from the beginning of the cold war by Americans as a means of differentiating between socialization, conditioning, and forced conditioning.

It is (needless to say)'forced conditioning' - that is re-training a person's socialization, ethics, and/or motives in a non-consensual (just had to use that wording) way in order to gain control of the person through constant and repetitive 'lessons' designed to break their resistances down and subvert their "self" allowing the interogator's influence to take the part of their own means and sense of 'self'...

Socialized reinforcement (through adopted or enforced peers and skewed reconfiguration of the 'world view' a person has nthrough other overt means) once this goal has been reached is how people can accept more "change" with less difficulty.

The key word for this defintion is really related to the psychologically violent method of change first used to alter the person's consciousness.

The term has since been subverted to indicate what "cults" do to their members; although there is the dignificant difference of maliability in the people selected by such groups, and, their willingness (rather than overt relstance) to the message being imparted and the influence that is capable of being maintained once the initialized change has been set and the 'peer-view' portion of the re-indoctrination is started.

Generally what submissives (especially new ones) experience is just as "Emerald Slave" has stated - conditioning.They are socialized into their lives through additional attention, information absorption, and "peer-view" influence.

Since it is a completely voluntary thing, the term "brainwashing" does not generally apply.

Of course it is used for everything from youth socialization to military training to religious instruction... so, it is not unusual to see it bastardized in such a way.

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