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KatyLied -> Poly vs. Leather Family (9/6/2005 12:32:33 AM)

I was talking to someone about this last night. I see profiles where members identify as either "poly" or "leather" families. What is the difference between a Poly and a Leather Family? Is there a difference? How is it defined?

Thank you.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Poly vs. Leather Family (9/6/2005 8:26:47 AM)

Polyamory simply means "having intimate relationships with more than one person at the same time" (That's my definition, not THE definition)

A "Leather Family" is a structure of bonds between people in leather/bdsm who feel a close familial attachment, there is often some sort of definitive heirarchy between the members and may or may not include intimate relationships between any two members.

Remember, a majority of poly people out there are NOT into leather/kink.

A poly relationship can be a V, one dom, two subs, or two doms and one sub, or it can be an extended family, with each person having their own independent partners or mixing between partners, or any number of things.

A leather family is similar in that its structure can be formed a zillion ways, but there is a definite heirarchy to it, usually with a matriarch/patriarch and the people in the relationships attach themselves through familial bonds, like brother/sister, cousin, etc, rather than simply "partners."

Becoming a member of a leather family usually takes some initiation and consensus from the family at whole, certainly from the matriarch/patriarch. You can be a sexual/bdsm partner of someone in a family and not be considered family yourself. As well, you can be in a leather family withsomeone and have no sex or really emotional attachment to them, other than upholding the loyalty and respect of the family at large.

Essentially, poly is simply multiple intimate attachments, while a leather family has a specific purpose and structure to it based in bdsm.




KatyLied -> RE: Poly vs. Leather Family (9/6/2005 9:30:54 AM)

Thank you for the reply.




WilliamMasterson -> RE: Poly vs. Leather Family (9/7/2005 1:54:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

Polyamory simply means "having intimate relationships with more than one person at the same time" (That's my definition, not THE definition)



This is true if by intimate you mean you love the person with whom you are having sex. Polyamoury means having more than one love in your life, not just having more than one partner. Having more than one partner without loving all of them just means you have an open relationship. I find that a lot of people mis-identify themselves as Poly when what they really are is open, or in some cases merely swingers.

Alexander




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Poly vs. Leather Family (9/7/2005 5:04:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WilliamMasterson
This is true if by intimate you mean you love the person with whom you are having sex. Polyamoury means having more than one love in your life, not just having more than one partner. Having more than one partner without loving all of them just means you have an open relationship. I find that a lot of people mis-identify themselves as Poly when what they really are is open, or in some cases merely swingers.

Alexander


I find that "love" is too ephemeral of a concept and too personal to include in a definition. For some people it will mean romantic love, for some people it will mean familial love, and it certainly doesn't have to include sex.

I care deeply for all of my relationships, they wouldn't be considered part of my life otherwise, but I'm not necessarily in love with them. Intimacy is a very specific bond that is a far better descriptor to me than the ephemeral "love."




thetammyjo -> RE: Poly vs. Leather Family (9/10/2005 9:36:33 PM)

Then there are those of us who just identify as "a family" or maybe a "non-traditional family."

I'm poly; I'd say that both my husband and slave are poly but they would say they are monogamous because while they might have have scened with others they have no interest in having sex with anyone other than me.

(I can't even mangage to get them to have sex with each other, darn, I'd so like, well, if I could watch anyway..... where was I?)

But we aren't a leather family either because my husband and I do not do BDSM in any form with each other any more -- our interest aren't as compatible as is satisfying for us. Because of this I think I can build a harem or a family but not a "leather family" -- but perhaps I'm being too picky.

Love, Peace, Hugs, Kisses, Whips & Chains,
TammyJo




OneKinkyTOP -> RE: Poly vs. Leather Family (9/20/2005 5:38:11 PM)


For Me, polamory is a definate part of a Leather family.
I have a partner of 23 years, who is an integral part of the Family,though very seldom included in any of the BDSM activities, because he understands totally My need to dominate other males.

My subs present and former are all a part of a My greater Leather family. I love My partner and My submissives, no 2 in the same way, but without that connection and bond the rest seems to be just " going through the motions" rather than having the dynamic the brings both Dominant and submissive the rewards we both desire.

In a speech I once said that a collar was a symbol of Leather Family...each link connected to the other...it is about our mentors, ourselves, our subs, and we have strength because of those things that hold us together and even if there is a loss, their presence is always felt because of the contributions that have made to who we are.





MsPurrmeow -> RE: Poly vs. Leather Family (9/24/2005 5:47:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OneKinkyTOP
In a speech I once said that a collar was a symbol of Leather Family...each link connected to the other...it is about our mentors, ourselves, our subs, and we have strength because of those things that hold us together and even if there is a loss, their presence is always felt because of the contributions that have made to who we are.


This is beautiful.

I believe in family, I believe in polyamory, and I believe in the Leather lifestyle. With all of those things combined, the above is a wonderful visual of my ideal place of happiness.

Thank you, OneKinkyTOP.

Purr




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