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MrThorns -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (7/19/2004 10:04:17 PM)

Voltare,

You do have a very good point. Poly is difficult as all hell. Yes, it requires more effort. Yes, it requires more time, and you are correct in that it can be too much. But, it's not a pipe dream. I think poly works very well for some people....and doesnt work at all for others.

A lot of posts dealt with loving more than one person. Arent there a lot of different ways to love? If that's the case, don't we fall into a polygamous relationship as soon as you develop a new friendship with someone outside of your current circle?

Since when did love have anything to do with a Master/slave relationship, anyway? (Yes...it's wonderful to have romantic love within a M/s relationship...but its not required...)

Anyway...its late...I'm tired...and dont think Im making much sense. I'll post more later..

~Thorns




theroebabe -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (7/26/2004 7:41:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrThorns

This is a topic that I have discussed with my slave on quite a few occasions. I am curious to hear what other people consider to be poly. Wether that means polyerotic, polyamourous, poly-pickalatinsuffixthatfitsinthisspacehere....

I have lived in a poly 24/7 M/s relationship. I play with others outide of my relationship with my slave. Am I poly? I believe that I am. Others may say that I simply like to play with others. At what point do you feel that an outside relationship has evolved into polyamory?

I look forward to the replies...

~Thorns


Well i feel the same way about poly whatchmacalit as you. I would still like to be the alpha in a primary relationship but have my dom and partner be open to exploring play with others. I think it helps spice up thing, changes the dynamic and allows people to experience different sensations, mentally and physcially. There is one woman i know that is open to this sort of thing as well so it allows us to occasionally get together and change things around, as she is a switch. it makes life more interesting!

Roe




Asmodeus -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (7/27/2004 8:37:56 PM)

Sometimes I get the feeling that my partner and I are the only ones in a monogamous polyamourus relationship. We are sexually active only with each other, though we love and care for our BDSM submissives; we just don't have intercourse with them.

If we were 24/7 with our subs, perhaps this would change, but as it stands now, we are poly in the sense that we have multiple loving relationships, not multiple sex partners.




kiki blue -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (7/28/2004 2:31:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Asmodeus
Sometimes I get the feeling that my partner and I are the only ones in a monogamous polyamourus relationship. We are sexually active only with each other, though we love and care for our BDSM submissives; we just don't have intercourse with them.


I'm not sure you can have a monogamous poly relationship, as it's a bit like saying you have a round square. You can be in a poly relationship, but not sexually involved with everyone.
I guess you can say you're sexually monogamous, but emotionally poly. Or you're Squintyhoho. Or something.




MistressDREAD -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (8/2/2004 4:11:26 AM)

Asmodeus
Poly is loving more then one
and being faithful to the core group
and all agreeing to anything that changes.

mono is two doing the same thing but with no others.

I am and was a Loving Partner in a Dom/Dom/Domme/slaves
Poly Home. {Both Gor Masters are now passed}
Me and My Two Partners were the only ones whom had
intercorse together. There was no intercorse outside the
Dominant 3 way struture all tho there were other sexual activities
alone with Our BDSM We enjoyed with Our slaves and scene
partners and players.




LadyAngelika -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (8/2/2004 5:02:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Voltare
Unfortunately, as an adult I've learned two women usually mean twice the expense, twice the work, twice the time on the phone, and quite simply twice the obligations. While I enjoy most of that stuff, depending on the woman/women it can be too much.


I have a co-worker for whom I have a ton of respect who is a very devout Muslim man. We have excellent discussions about Religion and life in general. We rarely agree on anything that has to do with religion and gender roles, but we really appreciate the debates and exchanges and really respect one another on a professional level.

One day, jokingly, I told him I’d convert to Islam if I could get myself a half dozen husbands. He laughed, because he has a good sense of humour like that, and said that was not applicable for women who wanted more then one mate. I knew that of course, but I like stirring things up a bit at times. He mentioned however that the number one rule if a man was to take on a second wife was he should never, under any circumstance, take anything away from the first wife in the process, whether that is love, attention, sexual and emotional intimacy, financial support, etc. I joked that with a half-dozen husbands, I would not need to work and each could have a day of my affections and I’d have a day of rest. I love that smirk he gets when I push his buttons.

But nonetheless, I found what he communicated to me to be an interesting concept. Again, note here that I don’t agree with the tenets of his religion, or any other for that matter, but I can appreciate at times the way things are worded.

The idea of polyamory is appealing. The high maintenance aspect however is not to me and I know with my lifestyle, I have a hard time hooking up with one person, let alone two, three, four. But for those who can juggle it and that all feel appreciated and fulfilled, then fantastic.

- LA




smilezz -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (9/5/2004 7:29:07 AM)

As i have done alot of reading on this topic and re-search and more reading..and more talking with others that live this way. I have found that...it's to each their own..some call it Poly...some call it non-monogamous. Thorns is poly, i am not...i am monogamous to Him only...i have and would play with other women, am ok with that. I do think that being Poly is difficult, but not impossible. It's hard work, yet, i can also see some rewarding experiences come from it.
One of the things i have come to realize is that being Poly does not mean that the persons invovled have to live under one room...HUGE misconception. Thorns and i have awesome communication...we have negotiation...He and i are the core to this family..that is not ever going to change. He classifies me as His Alpha slave...anyone that enters into a relationship with Him will know about me. There are No secrets in His household.
For some of you that may have questions about the Poly Life...or trying to wrap your head around why..what..how the fuck? *chucklez* Here is just One site that helped me to realize that how i was feeling was OK!

http://www.xeromag.com/fvpoly.html


~smilezz~




NoCalOwner -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (9/5/2004 1:44:07 PM)

I like the Webster's definition, since it includes what some refer to as "polyfuckery." I see the basic categories as monogamy, cheating, celibacy and polyamory. If you're doing sexual things with more than one person, are doing so without deceit, and it's not so spread out in time as to make it serial monogamy, congratulations, you're poly. This definition does make a big, catchall group like "BDSM," so you can't be sure quite what someone means when they say they're poly, but at least they have some name for their preference.




smilezz -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (9/5/2004 1:50:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NoCalOwner

I like the Webster's definition, since it includes what some refer to as "polyfuckery." I see the basic categories as monogamy, cheating, celibacy and polyamory. If you're doing sexual things with more than one person, are doing so without deceit, and it's not so spread out in time as to make it serial monogamy, congratulations, you're poly. This definition does make a big, catchall group like "BDSM," so you can't be sure quite what someone means when they say they're poly, but at least they have some name for their preference.


Egadz!!!!




smile2cu -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (9/5/2004 2:19:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
Out of curiosity, imadosh, where did you get that definition? Polyamory is not a word in english as far as I know.


Thorns beat me (no, not that way), but for the entemology, try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory

I have some friends that are into polyamory, and it isn't as easy as it sounds. Somehow it got much more complicated than it needed to be.

Polysexuality has a lot to be said for it. Certainly has my vote!

And don't forget Polly wants a cracker![sm=lol.gif]

~smile~




GingerleeDREAD -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (3/18/2005 12:19:11 PM)

quote:

RE: What do you consider to be poly?

Polyamory
Commitment to more then one person over a defined time at the same time.
That relationship does not have to nessisaraly be defined with love or sex.
alltho it helps. I define polyamory as responsible non-monogamy.
As in having open, honest, clearly defined relationships with more than one
significant other at the same time for the benifit of all.

Polyfidelity
A relationship with one or more significant others which include
love and sex.. Fidelities are not necessarily open to new members and are
sometimes called a closed group marriage till the loss of a group member.

Polytocotox
Open Marriage of two or more individuals who describe themselves
as married and who are open to outside sexual relationships, spouses and
other lovers depending on availability and circumstance or lifestyle.

Those are some of My definitions of Poly. This comes from a Third Generation
Poly Lifestyler who not only has lived with in a Poly Life all My Life but was born
to One as well. Keep in mind that the majority of Poly Lifestyler folks are NOT into
BDSM even tho for the past 10 years or so it is just one more Lifestyle that has
been thrown into the web of BDSM Kinks to become a part of the pot of ( ickkies
deemed by societys norm so to speak. ) JMPO.




ProtagonistLily -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (3/18/2005 4:33:28 PM)

Wow, this is a really great topic. Thanks for posting it M. Thorns.

I would consider myself poly only when the following criteria were met:
I was collared. The Dominant I was collared to had another collared slave/sub. The collared slaves/subs were required to interact with each other in a 'family' type setting and either part time or full time lived under the same roof.

I play with a number of differant people at any given time. I have never considered myself poly because of this. Even when I was collared, I played with others; however I did not use the term poly to describe how I felt about my relationship status.

I believe that sharing a Master and living as a 'family' is very differant than playing with others, but that's just me.

Lily




conflicted -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (3/18/2005 6:39:42 PM)

quote:

Wether that means polyerotic, polyamourous, poly-pickalatinsuffixthatfitsinthisspacehere....


i thought she put the kettle on!!!!!!

but seriously, thanks for this thread, i wasnt really sure what it was about!


n




MzPam -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (4/5/2005 5:24:52 PM)

Hello
I would like to know if you think being in a poly house everyone is having sex with everyone else ? For Me I just want more then one slave, some will be bi others wont, I don't have "sexual intercourse" with My slaves, so is it still a poly house ? I think so, all know they will be cared for, I am a caring person.

Mz Pam




unbrokenhouseboy -> RE: to be poly? (4/5/2005 9:44:50 PM)

i am so new to poly anything right now, but as i am told to understand it, it is akin to everyone in the given group acting as a team, and unlike some where it is the norm, of a couple only, where divorce comes in because the couple doesn't go at it as a team and end up going their separate ways..in a poly i am told everyone has-to pull together to make it work? am i understanding correctly? it doesn't mean everyone is having sex, it does mean i am told, in theory, everyone is cared for regardless?
i am partially understanding, some, concepts. there are others still beyond my reach yet.

thank you
houseboy




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: to be poly? (4/6/2005 5:30:06 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: unbrokenhouseboy

i am so new to poly anything right now, but as i am told to understand it, it is akin to everyone in the given group acting as a team, and unlike some where it is the norm, of a couple only, where divorce comes in because the couple doesn't go at it as a team and end up going their separate ways..in a poly i am told everyone has-to pull together to make it work? am i understanding correctly? it doesn't mean everyone is having sex, it does mean i am told, in theory, everyone is cared for regardless?
i am partially understanding, some, concepts. there are others still beyond my reach yet.

thank you
houseboy



As in every relationshis- everyone involved must work together to make it work for everyone, no matter how many happen to be involved. Also, sex is not required any more or less than it is in any other relationships.





DaddyNprincess -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (4/6/2005 10:21:20 AM)

I am currently in a 24/7 poly relationship. My older gay male lover for over 20 years had a stroke several years ago and sex was no longer feasible. Being Bi (with a pref toward woman), I 've taken on a loving kaytm. My gay lover doesn't feel as threatened becouse it's another woman and not a man. My katym doesn't feel as threatened for the same reason. I can love them both, they can love each other and me. What a beautiful thing. And we've been blessed with our first preg, to complete our family. Poly is a beautiful thing.




Cyis75 -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (4/6/2005 12:23:45 PM)

From my point of view and experience, poly is about loving, emotional, long term relationships. It's just not simply about multiple sex partners, that's what swinging is more about than poly. For me it's about the establishment of multiple relationships in which each party has a vested interest in the success of the relationship as a whole and part. Of course the stronger those multiple relationships become obviously sex is bound to become a part of that, but it is not all there is to it. Reading many of the posts I kept hearing sex as a focus over and over again.

Each poly relationship is going to be different from the next. That is the nature, and beauty, of relationships. No two are exactly alike. I have to agree with those that said before me that poly is not a pipe dream, but it is neither something that comes easily nor works for everyone. I know a lot of people like to point out how many poly relationships don't last; however many of those same people fail to point out how many monogamous relationships don't last or simply become serial monogamy.

So for me if there are more than 2 people involved and it's an established caring relationship (be it D/s, M/s or simply vanilla) it is a form of poly.




ShiftedJewel -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (4/6/2005 1:38:24 PM)

quote:

From my point of view and experience, poly is about loving, emotional, long term relationships. It's just not simply about multiple sex partners, that's what swinging is more about than poly. For me it's about the establishment of multiple relationships in which each party has a vested interest in the success of the relationship as a whole and part. Of course the stronger those multiple relationships become obviously sex is bound to become a part of that, but it is not all there is to it.


I couldn't have said it better. W/we live a polyamorous lifestyle, Our affections are shared with our live-in submissives and each other. Sex is also part of O/our relationship as a group, partly because that's how We prefer it and partly because I don't expect anyone to give up that part of themselves in order to be my submissive and neither does my husband. To Us it's a natural progression.

Jewel




Emmmrld -> RE: What do you consider to be poly? (4/24/2005 2:37:03 AM)

I just posted a good portion of this on the Poly vs Mono thread.

I think that the biggest problem with the term poly is that people use different definitions for that word. If we all use a different set of schema to define the term poly relationship then communication amongst ourselves becomes strained and breaks down. Couple that with people trying to discover who they are, when they know they do not fit into mainstream societal definitions of a sexual being, I think they grab onto partial concepts or what they perceive to be truths with out fully thinking about what it is that they want and are saying. For instance the term intimacy is often confused with sex.

That being said I would like to define the terms I am choosing to use so that those reading can follow along.

Intimate/Intimacy: Merriam-Webster defines this to be - 1) to make known especially publically or formally 2) to communicate delicately and indirectly. In other words, this is a close relationship with another person which may not involve sexual intercourse or stimulation on any level. Intamacy can happen through deep conversations, an understanding, or shared moments. Intimacy can happen between a variety of relationships - friends, lovers, or even family members.

Sexual or Sexual Relationship: Persons engaging in activities to bring one another to satisfy sexually or bring to climax.

Polyamourous Relationships (poly for short): This term means to me that more than two persons (does not matter the gender) are engaged in a relationship (sexual or intimate) with another person(s).

Monogomous Relationships (mono for short): Persons who are in engaged in a relationship with one partner.

Swinging (swing for short): Sexual encounters which generally happen with coupled partners who swap partners for an evening of sexual encounters. May or may not have re-occuring encounters with the person in either the same night or on other occassions.

Open relationship: This term is really a very vague term that should be defined by those who wish to participate in such a relationship.


The common misconception I think I see/hear with people who are discussing relationships, trying to get to know one another is that they throw out terms, make assumptions but do not define the meanings to the terms they use.

I think that men hear the term poly and think that it is a way to be able to be with more than one woman, which is not the societal norm. The problem with this is that often times (both through observation and perosnal experience) they do not think about the responsibilities that come with being a poly partner requires huge amounts of communication, responsibility and time.

"I don't share well" ... The common analogy I've heard from many of my poly friends about poly relationships is that it is like a family situation. Parents who have more than one child love all of their children equally - just in different ways because each child is different.

I have found that it is rare to meet someone who has been able to make a poly relationshp work. I would say that was because of the lack of communication and ability to make each person in the relationship feel as though they have a place to be. Using the parenting analagy - my parents have both done their best to spend time with us as a family unit as well as with each child to develop those bonds with us individually. Sure there were times that I felt my brother got more attention than me, as my brother has said the same in return. Those are NATURAL feelings that we experience. However, my parents always tried to be mindful of this and always tried to plan accordingly. For instance if my brother spent time with my dad camping, my mother would do something fun with me.

Now, the interesting thing to this is that there are two persons who can distribute the attention to make each person feel special. I've often speculated if poly works best/most successful where there is a couple, who are secure in a relationship with themselves but do not have matching kinks. I think of some friends of mine who he is a male dom who is VERY happily married to a woman who as it turns out is a domme as well. They have shared that they tried to sub to the other only to find out that was not their kink. They both have submissives. While they do play outside of their relationships with their submissives, to my knowledge their sexual relationships are only with each other and their respective subs. One of the subs is a married woman whose husband is not kinky at all. Again, they are happily married, but do not have matching kinks. I have yet another friend who is married and involved with poly partnerships.

The one common thing that all the couples that I have referenced is that they took the time to build a strong foundation with one another, communicate and continue to communicate to make it work. Often times I have met men that from the start of the relationship want to engage in various types of poly relationships - from intimate to sexual, rather than build a strong relationship where that c/would come later down the road.

I've had many poly people in my time try to explain poly life to me in that way. Yet they do not want to stop and hear my definitions for terms, what I am looking for only hear that I am mono and then try to "convert" me. This drives me completely insane. They do not like people not knowing/understanding their way of life but seem to lack the same courtesy. It mainly comes when I state that I would like to build a relationship with someone and not be poly or state that I'm mono. I do not see anything wrong with wanting to build a solid foundation in a relationship before inviting others in.

Another misconception I've run accross is that if you play a scene once with more than one person that you are some how deemed poly. NOOO. Have people missed the concept of fantasy fullfillment? Fantasies do not mean that is how you want your relationship to be all the time.

Trust and communication are not things that just happen in a relationship. These are things that are built over time, through actions and words. I've heard that "oh you don't trust me", well if you can't be straight with me, can't tell me you are seeing someone, can't communicate what it is you WANT to be doing with me or another, then why should I trust you? Because you are dominant and say to? Reality is that it doesn't matter if you are in a relationship that involves swinging, poly, open, bdsm or other trust and communication must happen for it to be successful and fullfilling. Trust and communication can only happen when all partners in the relationship are dedicated to understanding their partner (regarless of their chosen role) and working towards making the relationship work.

ALL relationships take work. Poly and open ones taking more work than mono relationships, in my opinion because there are more personalities and dynamics involved in making it successful. Too often I have noticed that those claiming to be poly rarely have their own life in control. I often wonder how the hell they think they are going to engage in a poly relationship that engages in controlling others when they can't maintain everyday life responsibilities.

For me personally, I am mono in my relationships. I am open to having open or poly relationships however, I would really like to find someone who is willing to spend some time in focusing their attention on me and not trying to spread it between others. To me it is critical that when you are building a relationship that you actually spend time doing so and not spread yourself thin focussing on too many different things. Sure I have fantasies that involve more than one person and would love to enjoy those but that doesn't mean that I want to do that every Friday night. ;)

I think for the poly communities to be better understood by those that are more mono in relationships there should be some deeper understanding that while it is perfectly ok for poly folks to be poly, it is also ok for mon folks to be mono. :) Maybe the approach should be one of trying to educate, but listen to a persons concerns and experiences before passing judgement that they do not understand the poly lifestyle. Also, I think that educating people on terms of use with in poly communities needs to happen. There are far to many people thinking poly means one night stand, harem, ok to cheat on my wife and it does not.

But then one could argue that we are all poly - because if we weren't how could we be friends with more than one person. :)

~Emerald




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