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BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 10:42:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't really have a question i just thougt i would share something amusing that happened in my summer school Shakespear class.

This one guy was doing Hamelts speach where he says something about the slings and arrows no i don't know if this guy was nervous, is into BDSM or simply forgot and put his own words in.

Instead say the slings and arrows he said whips and chains needless to day the whols class including the prof cracked up.

hmmm BDSM shakspear.

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 1:48:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, Shakespeare is full of little quotes that have often made me wonder about him. He was certianly not averse to pulling the wool over the eyes of the nobles who patronized his plays.

My sig line is just an example. LOL

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 3:42:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		i see what you mean Cin the quote sounds like BDSM to me.

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 4:01:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I concur. Historically, Shakespeare was notorious for slipping in the odd word, insult, or suggestive bit of innuendo. Not enough to rile the nobles, but enough to ruffle their feathers a bit if caught. Ah well, I still love my naughty Shakespeare.

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 4:02:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		If youre going to talk about Shakespear and BDSM,surely "The taming of the shrew" has a lot of BDSM at least suggested throughout?.


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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 4:11:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Taming of the Shrew is my favorite Shakespeare play. There are a lot of issues about dominance and obedience in it, but I'm just gonna quote my favorite little exchange.

Petrucio: Women are made to bear, and so are you.
Katherine: Asses are made to bear, and so are you.

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 5:46:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		P: Come, come you wasp, i' faith you are to angry.
K: If I be waspish best beware my sting.
P: My remedy is to pluck it out.
K: Ay, if the fool could find it where it lies.
P: Who knows not where a wasp does wear his sting? In his tail.
K: In his tongue.
P: Whose tongue?
K: Yours, if you talk of tales, and so farewell.
P: What, with my tongue in your tail? Nay, come again, good Kate, I am a gentleman.

The Bard (or Bawd as I call him) really didn't have to watch his P's and Q's in terms of sexual innuendos. The people of that time were before the victorian era, and did not find it any social or political faux paux to guffaw at human sexual foibles. The word fuck came from that era and was used in polite society converstation to describe ......well; fucking. The horrid hang-ups about sexual mores came much later.


A tribute to CalliopePurple, as I am fond of The Taming of the Shrew and
other Billy-isms.

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 6:22:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CalliopePurple

Taming of the Shrew is my favorite Shakespeare play. There are a lot of issues about dominance and obedience in it,


This speech from TOTS just moves my heart everytime I hear it:


I am asham'd that women are so simple
To offer war where they should kneel for peace,
Or seek for rule, supremacy, and sway,
When they are bound to serve, love, and obey.


- Kate
- Taming Of The Shrew - Act V. Scene II.

(My apologies to all the lovely female dommes out there.)

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 6:27:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm surprised that women would like the Taming of the Shrew. It's about a man who "tames" a bitch and turns her into a dutiful housewife.

The final scene, where Kate drags her sister Bianca and her mother into the room where the men are, and delivers a speech about how a woman should love, honor and obey her lord and master doesn't sound like BDSM to me. Sounds more like old fashioned male chauvenism.

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 7:35:53 PM   
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The word fuck came from that era and was used in polite society converstation to describe ......well; fucking. The horrid hang-ups about sexual mores came much later.


Not according to this: History of the "F" word

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 9:00:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		The whips and chains of outrageous fortune?

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ORIGINAL: littleone35

Instead say the slings and arrows he said whips and chains needless to day the whols class including the prof cracked up.


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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 9:28:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Euryanx

I'm surprised that women would like the Taming of the Shrew. It's about a man who "tames" a bitch and turns her into a dutiful housewife.

The final scene, where Kate drags her sister Bianca and her mother into the room where the men are, and delivers a speech about how a woman should love, honor and obey her lord and master doesn't sound like BDSM to me. Sounds more like old fashioned male chauvenism.


I think most people miss the subtle sarcasm of Shakespeare. It really isn't about taming a bitch, because in the end he really doesn't tame Katherine. She doesn't truly change...she just learns how best to handle her Lord.

Shakespeare really used his plays to poke fun at the social mores and prejudices of his time, and indeed of all manner of human foibles.

The very reason his work is timeless and can be intrepreted into any time period is that human beings are human beings...and we don't fundamentally change much.

As he himself put it: O What Fools These Mortals Be!

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 9:41:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have seen some very well done Shakespear plays done with fetish wear and all sorts of kink thrown in. It fit so well. One important thing to remember about Shakespear is that he was gay. So all of those beautiful sonnets he wrote about his "love" were actually written about a young boy. Most of his female characters are very strong and it went against how women were supposed to behave at that time. Also important to remember at the time when these plays were actualy being written, no women were allowed to be in them. So every character was portrayed by a man. Cross dressing at its earliest. Gotta love it.

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/23/2005 11:28:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		mnottertail, that was my other favorite bit. I just didn't feel like bothering myself with looking it up because I couldn't remember it offhand.

Dammit, now I wanna try and find a paperback version or something cheap so I can read it and be constantly amused.

Meep, the closer my move gets (4 hours!) the more nervous I get.

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/24/2005 12:33:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dear CP,

Is that like OP? Could I pass that off as Current Poster? Nah, just lazy shorthand for your name........LOL.
Go to used bookstores or Salvation Armies or Goodwill you can get the big college bound Pelicans for a few bucks.

Here is one I quote out of context and paraphrase slightly but to great advantage:

from a midsummer night's dream

Snug: Have you the lion's part written? Pray you, if it be, give it me, for I am slow of study.

Quince: You may do it extempore, for it is nothing but roaring.

For those of you who get it, good. The others should go to the Salvation Army store or the Goodwill or the little used book sellers and pick up a Pelican.

LOL,
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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/24/2005 6:02:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		One thing that a lot of people miss about Shakespeare is that, for the most part, he wasn't writing "great literature". His intent was simply to get butts in theatre seats. To serve this purpose, he wrote the Elizabethan equivalent of soap operas and action movies - plenty of sex and drama. Don't get me wrong, i love Shakespeare's work - just something to think about.

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/24/2005 7:15:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Somewhere on my bookshelves I have a book called "Bawdy Shakespeare".

It's a fun read for the literary pervert.

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/24/2005 7:26:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hissweetshiv

One thing that a lot of people miss about Shakespeare is that, for the most part, he wasn't writing "great literature". His intent was simply to get butts in theatre seats. To serve this purpose, he wrote the Elizabethan equivalent of soap operas and action movies - plenty of sex and drama. Don't get me wrong, i love Shakespeare's work - just something to think about.


LOL Yes, this is very true. He was the smut peddlar of his time. And still, his ability to get to the heart of humanity, and to make us laugh at ourselves - and cry with each other - will keep his work relevant and treasured forever.

I wonder if someday Seymore Butts will be considered a film genius?? LOL

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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/24/2005 7:38:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is interesting that so many of you (us) are into Shaksper-- if youd like to read a book about the bard-- in which he spanks Queen Elizabeth -- it can be found at


http://www.ebookstand.com/books.grp/RI1674.html






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RE: BDSM Shakespear? - 8/25/2005 7:31:10 AM   
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hmmm BDSM shakspear.


"Being your slave what should I do but tend
Upon the hours, and times of your desire?
I have no precious time at all to spend;
Nor services to do, till you require.
Nor dare I chide the world without end hour,
Whilst I, my sovereign, watch the clock for you,
Nor think the bitterness of absence sour,
When you have bid your servant once adieu;
Nor dare I question with my jealous thought
Where you may be, or your affairs suppose,
But, like a sad slave, stay and think of nought
Save, where you are, how happy you make those.
So true a fool is love, that in your will,
Though you do anything, he thinks no ill."

-Shakespeare Sonnet 57

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