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ORIGINAL: thelight
the concept of anarchy is inherently paradoxical. the freedom to do what one desires includes the freedom to impose one's desires upon others, at the expense of their freedom to do as they desire.

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if i am permitted to impose upon your freedom, then i am permitted to make law.

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at the same time, however, i cannot be forbidden to impose upon your freedom if there is no law. laws are inevitable, just like everything else.

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The action doing the hurting is the man having sex with the other woman. The other woman having sex with a man hurts no one. She is in no way responsible for the hurt cause by the man having sex.

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ORIGINAL: GentleLady

Taggard, if the woman is not responsible then why is she named in the divorce petition if the wife takes the husband to court for a divorce on the grounds of adultry? Why would the other woman have to appear in court and testify if her actions have caused no hurt to the marriage and have no consequences for which she is responsible?

The easy answer is that she is being used as proof of the adultry but even when the husband admits to adultry the other woman is still named on the papers. She still ends up having some responsibility under the law.

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Wouldn't a material witness be names in just about any criminal case, and wouldn't they be asked to testify? Wouldn't the victim be named and be asked to testify? If a person committed a robbery with a gun that was stolen from a gun shop, wouldn't that shop be named, and might somoene from the gun shop be asked to testify? Obviously none of them would be responsible under the law ... right?

Also if being names on those divorce papers indicated some sort of responsibility under the law, wouldn't that person be involved in the settlement in some way? Maybe one of the people on here that knows the law (pinkpleasures maybe) could chime in. Has anyone ever heard about the "other woman (or man)" in a divorce case ending up having to pay child support or alimony to the spouse filing the divorce papers?

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Also if being names on those divorce papers indicated some sort of responsibility under the law, wouldn't that person be involved in the settlement in some way? Maybe one of the people on here that knows the law (pinkpleasures maybe) could chime in. Has anyone ever heard about the "other woman (or man)" in a divorce case ending up having to pay child support or alimony to the spouse filing the divorce papers?

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I don't know that much about the law, but something seems common sense wrong with this thought.

Just because someone is named in a case and asked, or even compelled to testify, that doesn't make them responsible, does it?

Wouldn't a material witness be names in just about any criminal case, and wouldn't they be asked to testify? Wouldn't the victim be named and be asked to testify? If a person committed a robbery with a gun that was stolen from a gun shop, wouldn't that shop be named, and might somoene from the gun shop be asked to testify? Obviously none of them would be responsible under the law ... right?

Also if being names on those divorce papers indicated some sort of responsibility under the law, wouldn't that person be involved in the settlement in some way? Maybe one of the people on here that knows the law (pinkpleasures maybe) could chime in. Has anyone ever heard about the "other woman (or man)" in a divorce case ending up having to pay child support or alimony to the spouse filing the divorce papers?

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Lately it's been overrun by boors. I prefer it the old way, and I'm going to try to bring back the good days. So people who call all religions irrational bullshit are going to get some flak. Have fun with it.

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Two final thoughts:

First, I hope the moderators don't see any of these posts as flames, because I don't feel flamed and really didn't mean to flame anyone. I think we were just communicating openly about a difficult issue.

Second, I have now completely changed my postion!!!!!

From now on, anyone that asks me out is going to have to prove beyond any doubt that they are not married or involved in a relationship where they are not supposed to date other people. Anyone have any ideas on how I can make that happen?

I promise to check every car ignition for screw drivers.

I will never again consider a little kissing as anything short of complete carnal knowledge.

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ORIGINAL: lovingmaster45
I am sure Pink will approve of that...lol. Hey Emerald...Want to come with us?

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don't really understand your point. Support is not determined by whether one party committed adultery. Support is determined by a very precise and mundane formula, and it's all about dollars and cents.

A lawyer might have to step in here, but I'm under the impression that hauling people into court in order to testify about adultery is a thing of the past (well, at least in the U.S.--I don't know anything about Canada). You just go in, count beans, and leave with an agreement sanctioned by a judge or mediator. Divorce is about ending a marriage and changing your legal status; it's not about hunting down adulterers and subjecting them to condign humiliation.

Lordandmaster

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ORIGINAL: dark~angel

If you were riding in a car with someone who commited a crime, or knew someone who commited a crime and you did not report it - or knowingly purchased stolen goods(if unknowingly - you are still libal to return the goods because ignorance is not base for innocence) and you ignore that crime because technically 'you didn't do it' - you can still be charged with conspiricy or handling if the person you was with is later convicted.

Your analagy gives anyone the right to commit any offense against another person just because it isnt directly your fault. Your absolving yourself of responsibility. Which is worse than the actual 'offense' (sorry to use that word, it just best fits)
If you are mature enough to commit adultery, at least be mature enough to accept you are partly responsible for any pain your actions cause.

Peace and Love

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Also if being names on those divorce papers indicated some sort of responsibility under the law, wouldn't that person be involved in the settlement in some way? Maybe one of the people on here that knows the law (pinkpleasures maybe) could chime in. Has anyone ever heard about the "other woman (or man)" in a divorce case ending up having to pay child support or alimony to the spouse filing the divorce papers?

caitlyn

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If you were riding in a car with someone who commited a crime, or knew someone who commited a crime and you did not report it - or knowingly purchased stolen goods(if unknowingly - you are still libal to return the goods because ignorance is not base for innocence) and you ignore that crime because technically 'you didn't do it' - you can still be charged with conspiricy or handling if the person you was with is later convicted.

dark-angel

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I think I am in love with this little girl. And YES my wife, Head Bitch Barbie likes her too. As soon as she graduates from Rice, we are headed to Texas to visit Barbie's old boyfriend in Dallas and see if we can't buy this smart girl a drink or two. Hell maybe we will get her drunk and have "exploitives sex" with her.

I am sure Pink will approve of that...lol. Hey Emerald...Want to come with us?

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Loving Master

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ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures

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Also if being names on those divorce papers indicated some sort of responsibility under the law, wouldn't that person be involved in the settlement in some way? Maybe one of the people on here that knows the law (pinkpleasures maybe) could chime in. Has anyone ever heard about the "other woman (or man)" in a divorce case ending up having to pay child support or alimony to the spouse filing the divorce papers?

caitlyn

Most states have laws on the books which are rarely enforced. i'd guess that adultery is a crime in more than half the country, but it is newsworthy when someone gets arrested for it because the law is so seldom enforced.

In order to commit adultery, you must be married -- so the "other" man or woman is not chargeable unless a conspiracy or aiding and abetting statute is used.

Children born during the marriage are presumed by law to be the issue of the husband, but that presumption can be rebutted and the "other" man can be subjected to the duties of parenthood -- including child support -- if evidence demonstrates the child is his biologically.

Most states still have "heartbalm" statutes, which allow a divorced person to sue the "other" man or woman who broke up the marriage by sleeping with the former spouse in civil court for the "damages" suffered. However, just like an arrest for the crime of adultery, when such cases are allowed by the judge to go forward they are newsworthy because they are so rare.

These days, judges would most likely take "judicial notice" that a divorced woman has marketability as an employee and as a marriage partner, and dismiss any such law suit. The stigma of being a "divorced woman" is largely a thing of the distant past.

pinkpleasures

Thanks pink ... I stand corrected!!!

Apologies to angel ... apparently her analogy is accurate.

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Lately it's been overrun by boors. I prefer it the old way, and I'm going to try to bring back the good days. So people who call all religions irrational bullshit are going to get some flak. Have fun with it.

Lordandmaster.

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ORIGINAL: mercnbeth
So you don't believe in the "enabler" concept?

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.....stolen car....

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ORIGINAL: thelight
for example, a friend of mine is married to an argentinian woman. she told him that there would be no reason for her to remain in the states if he divorced her, so she would take their two kids back with her to argentina. he would only be able to see them once a year, at most. he's miserable in his marriage, but he can't bear the though of not having his kids near him. so he cheats, and i don't blame him.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
So you don't believe in the "enabler" concept?

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Continuing to using the car as the parable subject; if you as a host allow a drunk driver to get in his car and he/she ends up killing himself or others on the way home legal case history holds them culpable. A woman or man who, without knowledge and/or acceptance of spouse, has sex with a person who they know is married has the same culpability.