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intoxication fetish - 7/12/2005 11:20:10 PM

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anybody here have the same fetish

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 4:39:24 AM

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I think it's usually referred to as alcoholism! LOL!

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 4:45:30 AM

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"Alcoholism" is a made-up "disease". My Father was a drunk.
Yes, I have heard of the intoxication fetish and it extends beyond alcohol.
My first encounter was in college. It began with what I like to refer to as the "soroity girls mating call"..."I am sooo drunk".
That was a signal she was ready to be fucked. Now they call it date rape...go figure.

Go to any bar in any town. You will find people there; mainly women, who you cannot fuck until they have had a few drinks or in some cases more than a few. I have even helped a couple with their fantasy. He wanted to take her to a bar; get her durnk; and have 5 or 6 men take her back to the motel room and fuck her while he was too drunk to stop them.

It was a great night for us all.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 5:17:58 AM

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"Alcoholism" is a made-up "disease". My Father was a drunk.
Yes, I have heard of the intoxication fetish and it extends beyond alcohol.
My first encounter was in college. It began with what I like to refer to as the "soroity girls mating call"..."I am sooo drunk".
That was a signal she was ready to be fucked. Now they call it date rape...go figure.

Go to any bar in any town. You will find people there; mainly women, who you cannot fuck until they have had a few drinks or in some cases more than a few. I have even helped a couple with their fantasy. He wanted to take her to a bar; get her durnk; and have 5 or 6 men take her back to the motel room and fuck her while he was too drunk to stop them.

It was a great night for us all.

I have re-read this several times now to see if this was meant entirely in jest and if it was I am just not seeing it. As someone who has had extensive experience in the Substance abuse field, and also as someone who has been affected by family members who have faced this issue, I feel compelled to reply.

Alcoholism is not a "made up disease", not by any stretch of the imagination. Aside from socio-economic factors, it most definitely has a medically proven physical cause. I have explained in detail the disease concept of alcholism on these boards previously and if you do a search you will most likely find it. You can also search the internet for THIQ or the Disease concept of Alcholism and that should provide you with a wealth of information.

Aside from your misconceptions about the origin of this affliction, what bothers me most about your post is that you seem to think that intoxication is a "green light" for sexual advance. Nothing could be further from the truth...as a matter of fact...it should invoke quite the opposite reaction. An intoxicated person CAN NOT make an informed decision in regards to consent....not by any standard...including legally. Having sex with an intoxicated person could very likely result in legal action and anyone who does so is taking a serious risk of losing their freedoms. The law will not be on your side should there be bad feelings in the morning.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 5:42:48 AM

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I think it's great that he is honest enough to display his ignorance and lack of compassion publicly.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 5:48:16 AM

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I want to know what he means by intoxication fetish?

Most women adore the idea of being seduced and intoxicated by someone's allure, don't they?

I have a major kink with knock-out play, but it's not an actual fetish.

Or does he actually mean alcohol fetish?

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 6:04:35 AM

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I think that most people just don't know what the definition of "fetish" is, they assume that it is just something kinky that they enjoy.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 6:12:39 AM

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I met a sub awhile back who was an avowed intox fetishist and she was quite articulate about it. She came out here for a visit and we had a great time. But then she went home and disappeared into a fog of...you guessed it: intoxication!

I think it's a valid fetish...not that anything or anyone requires my approval for validation, I hasten to add.

Just wanted to let you know someone has heard of it and indeed met a practitioner.

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anybody here have the same fetish

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 10:23:21 AM

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I want to know what he means by intoxication fetish?

Most women adore the idea of being seduced and intoxicated by someone's allure, don't they?

I have a major kink with knock-out play, but it's not an actual fetish.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 12:21:54 PM

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Ooo well if you're asking if people are into knock-out play, being partially or fully unconscious while being used...then yeah, I am and I know there are others.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 12:39:45 PM

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Personally i would think this would be very dangerous. To name a few of the risks: it might involve drunk driving to get to where you will play; it might involve abuse because you may not recognize it's getting abusive or have the power to stop it; it may involve stupid decisions and cause you to get or transmit an STD; and you may end up with liver disease. I'm sure others can add to the list.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 2:54:30 PM

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mistoferin,
Your tag at the end of your email is;

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There are no victims here.....only volunteers.

You said it for me. Drunks are volunteers. I know. I lived with one and at one time I also was one. It is not a disease. It is a personal weakness. I have it; therefore I place controls on how I behave around the substance.

You can site all the pshyco-babble crap you want. It became a disease when the AmericanPsychiatricAssoc. voted that it was a disease. They also voted in 1972 that being queer was no longer a disease. so don't even go there with me.

As to the "traditional" medical establishment (those who do not engage in psycho-babble); they often miss it too. Remember when they had pelegra as a disease? And lets not forget the infamous "sexual disorders" of the early 20th century.

Pneumonia is a disease. Mumps is a disease. Voluntarily injesting a substance is NOT a disease.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 2:59:43 PM

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Personally i would think this would be very dangerous. To name a few of the risks: it might involve drunk driving to get to where you will play; it might involve abuse because you may not recognize it's getting abusive or have the power to stop it; it may involve stupid decisions and cause you to get or transmit an STD; and you may end up with liver disease. I'm sure others can add to the list.

That's why they call it edge play. I trust the Owner, what would that mean if it meant "Only if I can keep my eyes on you"?

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 9:40:43 PM

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You can site all the pshyco-babble crap you want.

Well actually, I was not siting any psycho-babble crap at all. If you research the disease concept of alcoholism you will see that it is based upon genetics and physical processes. Nothing whatsoever to do with psycho-babble crap. As for the rest of what I said, I didn't even get into morals or ethics, only the law...and the law states that an intoxicated person is incapable of informed consent. You have your opinions...I have mine. Mine are backed up by proven research and the court system. Other than your personal experience....with all due respect....who backs up yours?

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 10:17:32 PM

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For me, whether or not it is a disease is irrelevant. I know that when I drink I lose control and end up in strange places...or jail...or racing around the streets and freeways of a major city while wearing a gorilla mask. I don't know if I am an alcoholic or not, but I do know I should not drink...so I quit...almost 10 years ago.

As for the dangers of practicing the intox fetish...I think I would be a good one to do that with. I don't drink or do drugs (anymore), but I don't mind if others do, as long as they're not 'problem' users as I was. Plus, I have emt training that could prove handy should things go amiss.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 10:27:58 PM

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You said it for me. Drunks are volunteers. I know. I lived with one and at one time I also was one. It is not a disease. It is a personal weakness. I have it; therefore I place controls on how I behave around the substance.

Pneumonia is a disease. Mumps is a disease. Voluntarily injesting a substance is NOT a disease.

This is a gross overgeneralization that can lead to some nasty places.

People with mental illnesses--neurochemical diseases--often self-medicate with substances. They are not "volunteers." They are sick individuals who made poor choices.

Individuals who have been "gotten drunk" are not volunteers. They are people who have been exploited.

Individuals who are borm/caused to be addicted to substances also don't get much say in their addictions.

Your statements are far too broad and uncompationate, in my reading. Alchoholism may or may not be a disease but individuals who have difficulty seeking treatment and sobriety are NOT weak. At least, they aren't inherently weak because they don't seek treatment.

I get frustrated when someone makes a sweeping statement about individuals who behave a certain way. There's too much to life to make them realistic.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/13/2005 11:21:34 PM

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And people complained about MY posts?

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Go to any bar in any town. You will find people there; mainly women, who you cannot fuck until they have had a few drinks or in some cases more than a few.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/14/2005 6:24:25 AM

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And people complained about MY posts?

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Go to any bar in any town. You will find people there; mainly women, who you cannot fuck until they have had a few drinks or in some cases more than a few.

I hear you, man. Truly offensive. But, on the other hand, it's a good to be reminded of the fact that there are people out there who believe such dangerously misguided crap.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/14/2005 11:15:22 AM

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dangerously misguided crap

lovingmaster45 didn't request nor needs anyone to defend him. But aside from the anecdotal nature of his post I feel he raises valid point and I agree with him. Alcoholism became a "disease" when society deemed that all human weakness and lack of self discipline warranted disease status. Two factors play into this, profits and marketing.

It's an easy sale to tell someone that there weakness isn't their fault. The disease label provides a rationalization. Once you have a disease you need to "cure" it. How do you cure a disease? With treatment and or drugs. Are these provided free? (That was a rhetorical question.) Psychiatrists, psychologist, treatment centers for alcoholism, and the almost daily introduction of new beta blocker drugs couldn't exist on a society where people are referred to as lazy drunks or drug addicts. But as an alcoholic you can be "treated".

Obesity is anther example of a created disease. Walk down the diet aisle of any drug store to witness the marketing of the "cures". ALL have one thing in common in the fine print; "Use this product with a sensible diet and exercise." "WOW - you mean I can lose weight if I take this pill, eat sensibly, and do some exercise?!!?" None of the instructions say - "take this pill with a bag of potato chips."

Similar "disease de juer's"; hyper-activity and ADD (Now being served in child & ADULT sizes). Once pills are created, pretty soon poverty may reach disease status.

Before citing clinical psychological, or genetic studies offering scientific "proof" of a genetic or psychological cause consider this. If the proof is so definitive why isn't every child of a alcoholic an alcoholic? Why isn't everyone with a specific gene or physiological abnormal brain synapse ALWAYS obese? If anyone has ever read the studies they all provide themselves with the wiggle room by this statement; "subjects have a PREDILECTION for....(fill in the disease)." In most other scientific worlds any result outside the theory disproves the theory. However in these cases we accept the opposite, any excuse justifies the disease status and therefor qualifies it for not only treatment, but sympathetic societal pity.

Bob, with all due respect, I think much of the disease/cure circle of life is a much bigger load of crap. People are drunks, fat, misbehaved, and don't pay attention because they don't have discipline in their lives; self or care giver (in the case of children) provided.

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RE: intoxication fetish - 7/14/2005 12:28:31 PM

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Before citing clinical psychological, or genetic studies offering scientific "proof" of a genetic or psychological cause consider this. If the proof is so definitive why isn't every child of a alcoholic an alcoholic? Why isn't everyone with a specific gene or physiological abnormal brain synapse ALWAYS obese?

Are you exactly like your parents in every way?

Genetics isn't that simple. It isn't always "I will be this way because my parents are."

Blond haired people don't always have blond kids, that dark-skinned people can give birth to light-skinned people, and that I have blue eyes while both of my parents have brown/hazel eyes.

Also, some people have genes that aren't expressed. There are individuals who are carriers for a gene but it isn't active. No one understands genetics thorougly yet. It's a field of science that is multiplying expotentially daily.

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