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ORIGINAL: Isolde

I wasn't going to ask this for fear of offending someone but this has been nagging at me.

SirKenin, you seem to be brushing aside people's mention of your own perceived arrogance and with your consistant analysis of Emerald's profile and posts as arrogant, I was wondering... is it that you feel it's proper and expected of a dominant to express their arrogance, but not a submissive or slave? Do you find her more arrogant because she's singing her own praises, yet is a woman and so should be more humble?

I have to admit, after reading your post about being a virtuous woman, that last possibility is what's struck me as truth. I otherwise can't understand why her boasting would be so offputting to you when what you are pointing out as signs of her arrogance are no more evident than the signs displayed by a thousand dominants on this site. Including yourself.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here; I really am genuinely curious about the apparant contradiction.

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: Isolde

I wasn't going to ask this for fear of offending someone but this has been nagging at me.

SirKenin, you seem to be brushing aside people's mention of your own perceived arrogance and with your consistant analysis of Emerald's profile and posts as arrogant, I was wondering... is it that you feel it's proper and expected of a dominant to express their arrogance, but not a submissive or slave? Do you find her more arrogant because she's singing her own praises, yet is a woman and so should be more humble?

I have to admit, after reading your post about being a virtuous woman, that last possibility is what's struck me as truth. I otherwise can't understand why her boasting would be so offputting to you when what you are pointing out as signs of her arrogance are no more evident than the signs displayed by a thousand dominants on this site. Including yourself.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here; I really am genuinely curious about the apparant contradiction.

I am brushing aside the accusations of arrogance on My part because I am considering the sources. With that in mind I can then evaluate the import of the accusations. Needless to say, I consider them to have no weight or merit.

I do not consider it ok for either a Dom or a sub to flagrantly display arrogance and/or pride. Neither one of them are esteemed virtues. They have no place in interpersonal relationships of any kind. Self-esteem and self-confidence, on the other hand, ought to be highly sought after.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: Isolde

I wasn't going to ask this for fear of offending someone but this has been nagging at me.

SirKenin, you seem to be brushing aside people's mention of your own perceived arrogance and with your consistant analysis of Emerald's profile and posts as arrogant, I was wondering... is it that you feel it's proper and expected of a dominant to express their arrogance, but not a submissive or slave? Do you find her more arrogant because she's singing her own praises, yet is a woman and so should be more humble?

I have to admit, after reading your post about being a virtuous woman, that last possibility is what's struck me as truth. I otherwise can't understand why her boasting would be so offputting to you when what you are pointing out as signs of her arrogance are no more evident than the signs displayed by a thousand dominants on this site. Including yourself.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here; I really am genuinely curious about the apparant contradiction.

I am brushing aside the accusations of arrogance on My part because I am considering the sources. With that in mind I can then evaluate the import of the accusations. Needless to say, I consider them to have no weight or merit.

I do not consider it ok for either a Dom or a sub to flagrantly display arrogance and/or pride. Neither one of them are esteemed virtues. They have no place in interpersonal relationships of any kind. Self-esteem and self-confidence, on the other hand, ought to be highly sought after.

So Isolde is one you are brushing aside, "consdering the source"? Isolde's opinion:

"I otherwise can't understand why her boasting would be so offputting to you when what you are pointing out as signs of her arrogance are no more evident than the signs displayed by a thousand dominants on this site. Including yourself."

..is also invalid? Isolde is prejudicial how?

Akasha

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: Isolde

I wasn't going to ask this for fear of offending someone but this has been nagging at me.

SirKenin, you seem to be brushing aside people's mention of your own perceived arrogance and with your consistant analysis of Emerald's profile and posts as arrogant, I was wondering... is it that you feel it's proper and expected of a dominant to express their arrogance, but not a submissive or slave? Do you find her more arrogant because she's singing her own praises, yet is a woman and so should be more humble?

I have to admit, after reading your post about being a virtuous woman, that last possibility is what's struck me as truth. I otherwise can't understand why her boasting would be so offputting to you when what you are pointing out as signs of her arrogance are no more evident than the signs displayed by a thousand dominants on this site. Including yourself.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here; I really am genuinely curious about the apparant contradiction.

I am brushing aside the accusations of arrogance on My part because I am considering the sources. With that in mind I can then evaluate the import of the accusations. Needless to say, I consider them to have no weight or merit.

I do not consider it ok for either a Dom or a sub to flagrantly display arrogance and/or pride. Neither one of them are esteemed virtues. They have no place in interpersonal relationships of any kind. Self-esteem and self-confidence, on the other hand, ought to be highly sought after.

So Isolde is one you are brushing aside, "consdering the source"? Isolde's opinion:

"I otherwise can't understand why her boasting would be so offputting to you when what you are pointing out as signs of her arrogance are no more evident than the signs displayed by a thousand dominants on this site. Including yourself."

..is also invalid? Isolde is prejudicial how?

Akasha

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ORIGINAL: stormsfate

I just wanted to share one of the many wonderful characteristics of my owner. He is capable of admitting when he is wrong (as rare as that may be ) I find that very attractive in a dominant, as no one is infallible.

And then you have those that will argue their point in the face of facts to the contrary. Case in point - SirKenin, you have repeatedly stated that Emerald will not attract intelligent people with her current profile, because *you* are not attracted to it and do not care for her personality. Despite many people posting that they do not feel that way, you insist that you are correct. THAT, SirKenin, is arrogance.

I'm sure there are people who do not care for E's posting style, but there are just as many who do enjoy it, and I suspect there are just as many who do not care for your posting style. Why not just agree to disagree? Is this point of such monumental importance to you, that everyone *must* agree with you?

I'm actually starting to think that you protest too much, and like the little boy who doesn't know how to tell a little girl he likes her....you pick on her to get her attention. Its just a bizarre thing to take such a huge stand on, don't you think?


best regards,
fate

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: Isolde

I wasn't going to ask this for fear of offending someone but this has been nagging at me.

SirKenin, you seem to be brushing aside people's mention of your own perceived arrogance and with your consistant analysis of Emerald's profile and posts as arrogant, I was wondering... is it that you feel it's proper and expected of a dominant to express their arrogance, but not a submissive or slave? Do you find her more arrogant because she's singing her own praises, yet is a woman and so should be more humble?

I have to admit, after reading your post about being a virtuous woman, that last possibility is what's struck me as truth. I otherwise can't understand why her boasting would be so offputting to you when what you are pointing out as signs of her arrogance are no more evident than the signs displayed by a thousand dominants on this site. Including yourself.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here; I really am genuinely curious about the apparant contradiction.

I am brushing aside the accusations of arrogance on My part because I am considering the sources. With that in mind I can then evaluate the import of the accusations. Needless to say, I consider them to have no weight or merit.

I do not consider it ok for either a Dom or a sub to flagrantly display arrogance and/or pride. Neither one of them are esteemed virtues. They have no place in interpersonal relationships of any kind. Self-esteem and self-confidence, on the other hand, ought to be highly sought after.

So Isolde is one you are brushing aside, "consdering the source"? Isolde's opinion:

"I otherwise can't understand why her boasting would be so offputting to you when what you are pointing out as signs of her arrogance are no more evident than the signs displayed by a thousand dominants on this site. Including yourself."

..is also invalid? Isolde is prejudicial how?

Akasha

I missed Isolde's accusation to be honest, and thus was not addressing it.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
Why don't you address it now? She's not part of the 'clique' as you say, so does her opinion matter?

You "missed" that just like you "missed" that you did not include "Mistresses" in those who you show respect to with your capitalization routine.

Akasha

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
Why don't you address it now? She's not part of the 'clique' as you say, so does her opinion matter?

You "missed" that just like you "missed" that you did not include "Mistresses" in those who you show respect to with your capitalization routine.

Akasha

I have a better idea. How about, rather than play your little game, you prove to Me how somehow beating Me into thinking that I am arrogant in any way detracts from the points that I have made, in any way contributes something constructive to this thread or in any way is going to make Me care. Hmmmm?

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ORIGINAL: SexyRed

I agree, this site has less info than other sites. My profile, however, is pretty well thought out, at least that is what I am being told, LOL

Some people don't like to read, though, and that is a big problem. Because then the wrong ones write, sadly enough.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
Why don't you address it now? She's not part of the 'clique' as you say, so does her opinion matter?

You "missed" that just like you "missed" that you did not include "Mistresses" in those who you show respect to with your capitalization routine.

Akasha

I have a better idea. How about, rather than play your little game, you prove to Me how somehow beating Me into thinking that I am arrogant in any way detracts from the points that I have made, in any way contributes something constructive to this thread or in any way is going to make Me care. Hmmmm?

Several people have pointed out that you come across as arrogant and why.
When you have said it's all a "clique," that say this, others have stepped in and agreed as well (anthrosub, for example).
No one has to "prove" to you that you come across as arrogant - it's our opinion.
At some point though, if enough people step in and say it, don't you think maybe you should consider that you're wrong?

Another poster pointed out you have the inability to say you are wrong. That's been proven in other threads also. You can go on believing what you want. Whatever makes you happy.

I'm not going to sit here and suggest to you that maybe you have a problem accepting you might be wrong, because of course you'll just say you don't.

Akasha

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin
And with all that you failed to prove any of the three points in My post.

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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin
And with all that you failed to prove any of the three points in My post.

This is what makes you come accross as arogant. The attitude expressed in this sentence sums up what is rubbing me violently the wrong way.

Please note: While I disagree with you on lots of stuff, for the most part I think you present yourself well, and even when I disagree I think you are able to back yourself up soundly. Please don't think I'm pre-disposed to hate everything you say, because, as I said, I rather like how you say it. However, in this thread, you're coming accorss as -really- not nice and hypocritical. You are criticizing someone while displaying the same traits that you are criticizing. That sentence epitomizes what I'm talking about.

~*~

What is so bad about pride? It's GOOD to be proud of who you are. It's not good to be insufferably arogant, sure, but the kind of pride i'm seeing displayed is simply strong, self-confidence, which, in this world is pretty darn good.