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RE: Rape and training - 5/23/2005 3:02:55 AM

jemeester

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i have thought about it a lot, being a master

If he really wants to rape you on your first meeting, that does not sound ok.

But this is what i think:
a slave (in contrast to a sub) should always be available for her master, in any way he likes to use her (if that was agreed in the first place).
So technically her master cannot rape her. BUT a stranger, however (or your master if he blindfolds you and you have no indication it is him) can rape you.
That is a big difference. You submit to your master, not to a stranger (unless master asks you, and you agree).

a sub is different to a slave in that way that she is willing to be dominated by her dom, but not always. He has to ask her first. So. a sub can be raped, a slave cannot, by their 'owners'.

Is this any help?
Anyway, a 'real' rape is not something to strive for. Full domination by your master is (maybe).
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RE: Rape and training - 5/25/2005 10:36:25 AM

ggonknees

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Thanks everyone for your help and advice, i've really valued it.
I'm working on a few things with him - discussing where it went wrong etc, and then calling it a day.
After that, am going to lay low, learn from it and then re-explore who i am etc when i come back to the forum (if it's any help, it's not put me off...it's made me realise where i want to be at least, how i want to be is quite a different matter!!).
i hope to be back online in the near future.
gg

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RE: Rape and training - 5/27/2005 5:09:33 AM

raised2serve

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jemeester

Anyway, a 'real' rape is not something to strive for.

speak for yourself, Sir. :-)

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RE: Rape and training - 5/27/2005 11:49:52 AM

FelinePersuasion

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raised, a real rape is brutall and violent and often damage the victom. It's not something to strive for at all. Unless you want to be brutally violated hurt and maybe even maimed.

You're probably thinking about play rape, which is pretending you're being raped, not it actually happening.

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RE: Rape and training - 5/27/2005 1:23:46 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

raised, a real rape is brutall and violent and often damage the victom. It's not something to strive for at all. Unless you want to be brutally violated hurt and maybe even maimed.

You're probably thinking about play rape, which is pretending you're being raped, not it actually happening.

I dunno. Some people really want the -actual- illusion of being raped. As I see it, an illusion so convincing you believe it is real is the same as it being real. Not my thing. Some people, however, set out to simulate rape as totally real as possible, and aren't satisfied untill they didn't know the experience was "fake"

To each their own.

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RE: Rape and training - 5/28/2005 2:20:25 AM

raised2serve

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and some of us have actually experienced real as well as play.

each to their own, which is why i said "speak for yourself"

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RE: Rape and training - 5/28/2005 9:45:39 AM

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I was actually replying to Feline :) I got what you were saying.

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RE: Rape and training - 5/30/2005 5:01:09 PM

roughleather

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jemeester
If he really wants to rape you on your first meeting, that does not sound ok.

Agreed.

Have vanilla sex with the guy first.You need to know what the guy is like when he's really turned on.

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RE: Rape and training - 5/30/2005 7:17:45 PM

EmeraldSlave2

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Why have vanilla sex first?

Why wouldn't a guy be turned on by a rape scene? Obviously this guy feels its hot.

While sex with the Owner is rarely with bondage and chains and trappings, it's never "vanilla" because there's always the authority dynamic between us.

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RE: Rape and training - 5/31/2005 9:01:10 AM

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What i seriously dont get and call me dumb. Is how he can possibly rape you? Everyone keeps talking about a "brtual" real rape vs rape play. Well i just dont get it. Isnt what makes it brutal, the fight you put up? So lay there on the bed with your legs open? If he slaps, protect yourself. Arms up over the face. Worried about tearing? Worst case scenario, through some spit down there un noticed and really fast? i just dont see the brutatilty in it? Honestly i think the brutality comes from how YOU handle it and react. Ever thought maybe he wants you to be scared so you "do" re act in a way that he can react ? Seriously i just dont get how a limp and un responsive body can turn into a brutal rape. Rapists, they like the fear right?

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No i'm not talking out of inexperience and no i've never been brutually raped. Yes i have been raped and yes i have managed my way out of over a handful of attempts.

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RE: Rape and training - 5/31/2005 10:50:40 AM

av8trman

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have you seen the movie "O". there is a line in it that goes something like this. ..."as a slave you have to do what ever the master wants, there is no choice, of course you do have the choice to CHOOSE weather or not you want to be with the person and participate..." Its your relationship but there are "rules" as in all relationships. You must simpley choose if this is who you are and act accordingly.

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RE: Rape and training - 6/3/2005 11:00:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

What i seriously dont get and call me dumb. Is how he can possibly rape you? Everyone keeps talking about a "brtual" real rape vs rape play. Well i just dont get it. Isnt what makes it brutal, the fight you put up? So lay there on the bed with your legs open? If he slaps, protect yourself. Arms up over the face. Worried about tearing? Worst case scenario, through some spit down there un noticed and really fast? i just dont see the brutatilty in it? Honestly i think the brutality comes from how YOU handle it and react. Ever thought maybe he wants you to be scared so you "do" re act in a way that he can react ? Seriously i just dont get how a limp and un responsive body can turn into a brutal rape. Rapists, they like the fear right?

I think perhaps you have miscalculated. There are men who would hurt you (yes, really hurt you) until they get the fear that they want out of you. Rape isn't always just forced sex. A man can cut you, beat you, break your bones, rip muscle, dislocate joints... whatever it takes to bring you to the breaking point.

"You can't rape the willing?"

How about taking you to a place so horrible that you'll no longer be willing?

careful... very careful on this one.

I personally feel it's just best to leave rape alone. Or if you must, only with one you REALLY trust!

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RE: Rape and training - 6/8/2005 5:24:12 AM

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...my view, get a new master. Mind games should not be part of the deal.

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RE: Rape and training - 6/8/2005 5:57:47 AM

EmeraldSlave2

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Ummm mind games are a HUGE part of the deal for me, heck it's one of my favorite kinks.

My perspective is different from the newbies, but leaving just because of "mind games" isn't good enough for me.

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