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Subspace? - 5/10/2005 9:14:17 PM

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i keep hearing subspace mentioned throughout the forums and from my Master, what exactly is it and how is it obtained?

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RE: Subspace? - 5/10/2005 9:27:13 PM

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It's when ta whole bunch of endorphines are realeased. how it happens is diffrent for every person, but it's usualy something that happens after a scene.

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RE: Subspace? - 5/10/2005 9:40:07 PM

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That's interesting. Is it always tied to a release of endorphins? Not to deny that there might be some physiological component to it, but I think most people experience it as a mental state. Sometimes I get a feeling that you might call "domspace." Of course it's hard to describe, but time seems to stop, and I feel as though I am doing exactly what I was put on earth to do. I can't imagine what subspace feels like, but I assume it's comparable.

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It's when ta whole bunch of endorphines are realeased. how it happens is diffrent for every person, but it's usualy something that happens after a scene.

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RE: Subspace? - 5/10/2005 9:57:08 PM

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It took me a few minutes, but here it is...

I'm sure you can find better descriptions on the net.

I hope it works.

http://www.mastersteelow.com/about_Subspace_what_is_it.shtml

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RE: Subspace? - 5/10/2005 10:16:29 PM

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yes, LAM the term she is asking about, unless other wise ment is the occurance of behaviors after a scene the sub space the flying of enorphines.

THAT meaning of the word subspace is brought on by endorphines. usualy after a scene. all though last time I hit space the guy brought it on by loving behaviors such as skin stroking and lots of tlc.

Gretchin, I found that sightr very long winded and not really helpfull at all to a new person who's never experinced sub space all the talk of confusing sex orgasims with subspace really would give someone a wrong association.

And to quote two someone else's on bondage.com I agree

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. It's a poorly written (filled with grammatical errors that would never occur in a proper scientific paper) and completely lacks necessary facts

And the other says Much of what is said here is unsupported, unsubstantiated, and is, in short, junk science. The only correct and honest thing said so far about the biochemistry and physiology of subspace is this: it has not been adequately researched.

I looked up SubSpace and got some dam mathmetical site lol. I can't find info on subspace using my normal search engion.

I also disagree with the ststement below, When I enter subs pace I am sleepy floaty happy almost as if I was sedated.I'm in no way super alert or ready to jump out of the way of a bus so to quote them.

The problems about sites telling you how sub space is and why, is it differs for every one. I get high an content, someone else might baby talk and start acting very stupid and like an 8 y.o I've seen it happen. Or they may just get super alert, but I tend to disagree cause the reactions I've personally first hand seen and experinced in sub space, people are slower floatier.

Plus they can't even get terminlogy right, they say that adrenilen is natures pain killer, and it's not endorphines are. And I seriously doubt they used the meaning of hormones right, don't shoot me in case I am wrong but I think they miss spoke,

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Trance is the result of hormonal activity. Hormones are substances in your
body, responsible for communication between the brain and the cortex and the
rest of the body ("blink your eye" is the result of a mini hormone cocktail.
So is "pull muscle" or ..... "fall in love"). Everything your body does (or
does not) is the result of these usually complex hormone cocktails.

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was - at that moment in
time - the normal situation, the body starts to produce adrenaline. This
happens in a split second and it brings the body to a "higher state of
alert". Ready to fight, run, jump out of the way of a passing truck or ...
to enter into an argument for example.

LOL I better stop or my post is going to be a million miles long. I can find tons of stuf I disagree with

this being one of them
EXCUSE me who in the hell said sub space has to be linked to sex first time I EVER experinced sub space sex wasn't even the closest thing happening and the farthest from my mind. I was at a pla party being spanked floged and other wise sense related play. Not one minute was I aroused nor was he touching me sexually.

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Adrenaline production started well before you conciously figured out you
were getting aroused.

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 6:14:20 AM

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Subspace is an altered state of consciousness.

Other than that there's nothing universal you can say about it. It's akin to hypnosis, people have attained similar altered states throughout history of humanity in every culture, through pain, through drugs, through endurance, through spiritual connection.

I don't get off on endorphins, I don't have an endorphin high. I get off on adrenaline and feeling connected.

It's like an orgasm- it's different for everyone, there are different types, and everyone gets there in different ways.

And sometimes it's not good, there are bad headspaces you can go into. But they won't damage you.

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 9:44:21 AM

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That sounds more like it. So it's NOT simply a release of endorphins.

I'm pasting a link to an interesting article (short and not technical) about the possible role of endorphins in the so-called runner's high, which is usually assumed to be comparable to what bottoms/masochists experience in an intense SM scene. The chemistry is more than a little controversial.

http://www.gobelle.com/p/articles/mi_m0846/is_6_24/ai_n9481984

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 11:14:37 AM

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So then is it like disassociating?

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 11:22:55 AM

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For some people it is definitely disassociating. But it's not always that and not for everyone.

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 12:07:08 PM

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Actually emerald. Subspace is no where close to n orgasim to me. not even close.

LAM the problem w/ith those sites, abotu exorcise producing the feelings, is Exorcise don't least not for me. To get to sub space it has to be play related, like a good spanking or flogging or lots of stimulation to the skin.

I wish exorcise produced subspace I'd never stop exorcising.

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 12:26:35 PM

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Feline what I meant was that it is like an orgasm because it's different for everyone, there are different types and everyone gets there in different ways.

I didn't mean that it was like an orgasm as in you feel all tingly and muscle contractions and sexual.

Sorry for the confusion.

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 12:37:56 PM

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ahh yeah, It's diffrent for every one. I get all sleepy and dumb duuuuuuuh looking:))

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 3:31:01 PM

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I appreicate all the responses to my post. Everyone has given me different ideas and thoughts about it. So is it an endorphin release or a disassociating thing? Which ones is it?

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 3:50:58 PM

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It's diffrent to all people, you cant' jsut say so which is it A or B.

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 4:57:16 PM

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Sorry I did not know. I thought it was one or the other and that is why people were saying the two different ways or explanations of it. So I guess it can be either one or both?

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 5:06:13 PM

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I have founf in my experience sub space is i am totally relaxed hapy sated and everything is righ with the world. it is not likr anything else i ever felt. it is usually after a scene.

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 5:25:43 PM

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The problem is that there are two ways of explaining what "it" is--how it is experienced and what is causing it. Explanations that invoke the release of endorphins and so on are trying to get at what causes it. I wouldn't rule out that there has to be some kind of underlying physiological phenomenon, but the problem is that it's all very unclear. One day we might have a much fuller picture of how hormones and other chemicals in the body influence mental and emotional states, but for now it's all very sketchy.

The question of how it is experienced is also complicated, but for a different reason: everyone experiences it in his or her own way, and those experiences, as we've seen just in this thread, differ pretty substantially. That makes it impossible for everyone to settle on a single description. How you experience subspace is what subspace means for you.

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Sorry I did not know. I thought it was one or the other and that is why people were saying the two different ways or explanations of it. So I guess it can be either one or both?

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 6:34:24 PM

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It's just one of the thousands descriptions for the word "subspace" (the trance feeling, I mean). You don't have to believe what you read, specialy if you've been there already. Every body has a different opinion on this. I agree is not usually related to sex (obviously). Talking or explaining issues related to subspace it's difficult form a personal point of view. It's a relative topic. A cold insight about it, might clear at least physical reactions (it does for me). There's information related to feelings during subspace, but I think that's more of a personal experience to get to understand it. She will notes it, and have personal thoughts about it, probably different then mine.

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 6:41:35 PM

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I appreciate everyones response to my question.

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RE: Subspace? - 5/11/2005 9:07:13 PM

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