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SSC vs RACK - 2/25/2006 7:57:34 PM

yun

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There seems to be a lot of talk out there about how people are supposed to act based upon the opinions of the overall community. You have SSC (Safe, Sane, Consensual) and RACK (Risk Assessment Consensual Kink) and then those that have their own setup. How important is it that we abide by a certain set of protocals that a community sets up when it is 2 people involved in a scene? Should we as a community continue to police those we come in contact with or should we leave them to their own scenes? Is SSC really any different from RACK?

i would enjoy hearing some thoughts..

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/25/2006 8:08:40 PM

Lordandmaster

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Oh I think we should definitely police them. Dissidents will be neutralized.

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Should we as a community continue to police those we come in contact with or should we leave them to their own scenes?

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/25/2006 8:12:26 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Oh I think we should definitely police them. Dissidents will be neutralized.

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ORIGINAL: yun

Should we as a community continue to police those we come in contact with or should we leave them to their own scenes?

Uniforms! Yummy!!

LthrdWolf ...btw RACK = Risk Aware Consensual KinK *S*

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/25/2006 8:16:34 PM

foxglove716

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quote:

Oh I think we should definitely police them. Dissidents will be neutralized.

handcuffs, battons, tazers, oh my!

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/25/2006 8:17:00 PM

KnightofMists

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Oh I think we should definitely police them. Dissidents will be neutralized.

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ORIGINAL: yun

Should we as a community continue to police those we come in contact with or should we leave them to their own scenes?

Resistance is Futile!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/25/2006 8:20:12 PM

LthrdWolf

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

Resistance is Futile!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup & We have Cages here too!!!!!!!

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/25/2006 8:23:29 PM

Driver1961

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He enters, dips His lid, Greetings to all......

Ummm, Yun, As a newcomer of 18 months, I'd like to say my understanding between SSC & RACK is really subjective and down to the parameters discussed between players. Maybe others may enlighten (flame) me but these are base agreed protocols, not law, and not clearly defined but open to personal interpretation. What my sub 'Wild' and I consider SSC or RACK is very different to the consentualness of my other sub, 'Angel' and I. The issues of what constitutes a 'PlayMaster' intervening in say 'public play' is largely determined by the projected standards of the club or dungeon owner.

To me, the bottom line is common sense, never judge another by your own limits but determine who is more experienced to defer to their judgement (say a 'PlayMaster' to settle your own disquiet).

Bye for now, waves to all.

regards, Paul, Sir to Angel and Wild

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/25/2006 8:28:26 PM

KnightofMists

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Driver1961

He enters, dips His lid, Greetings to all......

Ummm, Yun, As a newcomer of 18 months, I'd like to say my understanding between SSC & RACK is really subjective and down to the parameters discussed between players. Maybe others may enlighten (flame) me but these are base agreed protocols, not law, and not clearly defined but open to personal interpretation. What my sub 'Wild' and I consider SSC or RACK is very different to the consentualness of my other sub, 'Angel' and I. The issues of what constitutes a 'PlayMaster' intervening in say 'public play' is largely determined by the projected standards of the club or dungeon owner.

To me, the bottom line is common sense, never judge another by your own limits but determine who is more experienced to defer to their judgement (say a 'PlayMaster' to settle your own disquiet).

Bye for now, waves to all.

regards, Paul, Sir to Angel and Wild

well said!

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/25/2006 11:27:54 PM

denika

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: Driver1961

He enters, dips His lid, Greetings to all......

Ummm, Yun, As a newcomer of 18 months, I'd like to say my understanding between SSC & RACK is really subjective and down to the parameters discussed between players. Maybe others may enlighten (flame) me but these are base agreed protocols, not law, and not clearly defined but open to personal interpretation. What my sub 'Wild' and I consider SSC or RACK is very different to the consentualness of my other sub, 'Angel' and I. The issues of what constitutes a 'PlayMaster' intervening in say 'public play' is largely determined by the projected standards of the club or dungeon owner.

To me, the bottom line is common sense, never judge another by your own limits but determine who is more experienced to defer to their judgement (say a 'PlayMaster' to settle your own disquiet).

Bye for now, waves to all.

regards, Paul, Sir to Angel and Wild

well said!

Everyone has their own interpretation of what is safe and sane. The consentual I'm hoping is a given. People are always going to question our sanity and even safety of what we do but we have to be accountable to ourselves. Some who have seen Knight play with me have questioned my safety and that is their interpretation of what they think is safe. I am safer in His care than I am in my own.

The best play, weither it be with feathers or floggers is what works for the indivduals involved not those watching.
Both acronymns pretty much come down to the same meaning in the long run.

denika

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/26/2006 6:54:04 AM

OscarHargraves

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We need to form a committee. They need to pick about 1500 people to become the Sex Police. These people will be issued uniforms (mental picture here) and dispatched across the country to ensure that everyone in BDSM does this OUR way....... OR ELSE ! !

Okay. A little more seriously. Why would we WANT to encourage everyone to do things the same? Difference is what's intering and fun. Difference is what makes us who we are. I agree everyone has their own ideas of safe and sane. As long as the parties involved agree on their definitions, that's cool with me. I don't agree that the consenual is a given. Many times couples start out in a scene or with sex and the dynamics are such that the Dom can get carried away and go too far. This happens mostly because the Dom and Sub have not sat down and discussed their 'hard limits' iun detail. This is also why I insist on 'safe' words. It gives her a means so stopping the action BEFORE it gets out of hand.

I enjoy the advice here but I don't want anyone else telling me what I can and can't do with my sex life and I'm pretty sure most of you feel the same way. I read and use the suggestions I like and discard (not disREgard) the rest.

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/26/2006 7:23:32 AM

JohnWarren

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quote:

ORIGINAL: yun

There seems to be a lot of talk out there about how people are supposed to act based upon the opinions of the overall community. You have SSC (Safe, Sane, Consensual) and RACK (Risk Assessment Consensual Kink) and then those that have their own setup. How important is it that we abide by a certain set of protocals that a community sets up when it is 2 people involved in a scene? Should we as a community continue to police those we come in contact with or should we leave them to their own scenes? Is SSC really any different from RACK?

i would enjoy hearing some thoughts..

Just remember these are slogans, not blueprints. They aren't defining behavior but describing it. Their effectiveness comes from their pithy nature, but this also means that this also precludes expatiation.

Oh, also, I've generally seen RACK given as "Risk Aware Consensual Kink"

< Message edited by JohnWarren -- 2/26/2006 7:24:46 AM >

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/26/2006 7:27:11 AM

orfunboi

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OscarHargraves

We need to form a committee. They need to pick about 1500 people to become the Sex Police. These people will be issued uniforms (mental picture here) and dispatched across the country to ensure that everyone in BDSM does this OUR way....... OR ELSE ! !

You could try, but i think the religous right beat ya to it.....

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/26/2006 8:21:01 AM

LuckyAlbatross

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What's important is that everyone going into the scene knows what everyone else is understanding about the scene.

I don't use the acronyms, and I find them pointless. Who is going to say "I play without any regard to safety risks and reality?"

What matters is defining the acceptable risks for yourself and finding others who match those.

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/26/2006 8:25:08 AM

HoosierScorpio

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There are so many out there to claim to be in the lifestyle as part of a community we need to do what we can to protect those who are just now learning about it. We get allot of bad press from those claiming to be in the lifestyle that is why there is push in some states to make what we do illegal. SSC and Rack was created so those on the outside can understand we know and are aware of the risk of what we do. There was a situation in my state were a Master took video of a sub he was playing with. She only wanted the joy of the play and when she did not want to be collar by him she stop seeing him. He then was offering the video for free then was trying to sale them. The word was spread through all groups and he was removed from every group our state had. I think the community I belong too came together as one with a strong message that said we will not tolerate this kind of behavior. It is up to us to make sure what we do has good people in it because we love this lifestyle and this is the only way can do it is as one community around the world. Do we want sexual offenders, abusers or pedafiles being part of our community giving us a black eye? If you see some one playing dangerously do we not want to protect the sub if something they are doing is not done correctly? That is why we need to educate ourselves and help those who need it.

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/26/2006 10:07:18 AM

Lordandmaster

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Come on, Hoosier. Who decides what's "correctly"?

We're not a community and we don't have a police force. We're just a bunch of people who like to tie each other up. I thought the whole purpose of having an alternative sexuality is that YOU get to choose the life that suits you best.

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If you see some one playing dangerously do we not want to protect the sub if something they are doing is not done correctly? That is why we need to educate ourselves and help those who need it.

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/26/2006 10:13:32 AM

sultryvoice

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What is being discussed is ssc vs. rack. When is comes down to it, 12 of one, 1 dozen of the other. They are the means to the same, IMHO..

Respectfully,
sultry

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/26/2006 12:54:06 PM

PlayfulOne

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What about just old plain common sense?

K

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/26/2006 2:50:57 PM

KnightofMists

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

What about just old plain common sense?

K

mmmmmmmmmm cause it ain't so common as one would think!?

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/26/2006 2:56:31 PM

slavejali

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"Risk Assessement" is just the buzz word of todays society and laws. Like I have to put forward "risk assessment's" for insurance purposes for our martial arts school. I think people have just adopted different words to suit the language of today. So to me they SSC and RACK mean the same thing.

I really like a line from an old song..

"Everyones looking for a way to say something new,,,but thats hard to do...

their searching their mind trying to find a one of a kind way that they can say something new..."

something like that *grin*

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RE: SSC vs RACK - 2/26/2006 3:15:30 PM

mnottertail

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RACK and SAC are slogans, ala 1984 to keep you from thinking........they are not the law; that is given by "The Pope of Ropes..." (My apologies to Jack) Or to the unwashed who advocate "Listing Domination", (my apologies to JohnWarren) ..........

Guys; it is kinda simple, there is no law here, we are above and at the same time below the law, these standards; or if you are terribly pedantic; quasi-standards are guideposts, they are best-practices as those with experience in these matters wish to pass on to those with NO experience in these matters, not bibles but guidelines....for fuck's sake.....

Here is what I did, here is the result, and here is what happened; absent any rule or reasonable winking at the law, here is a thought.

Most people speed (a little) most people roll a stopsign now and then........

All these things are commonplace, but not necessarily universally recieved.........

If you start shoving monkey's up your ass, you should read the chapter, from "Loving Dominant", By John Warren on the subject, to familarize yourself with the in's and out's of it.........

If you believe there is a Chapter in that book about shoving monkeys up your ass, then you really need to read that book........

There is no definitive work on this, no law, no great premise, and I believe John would be the first to agree......

Nobody on this site can even agree on what a Queer is let alone a Queen.......

I become verklempt about these subjects, John Warren waxes poetic......

But I believe that we both agree...........Think, Plan, Know, Study, Read, and so on before and after you fuck off a little bit.

Had a conversation once, shoving ice cubes up your ass.........LOLOLOLOL
most of you will recognize that ain't my schtick....

But I gotta tell you at 25 years old, you can probably get away with it many times..........

Later on in life, the fucking cholesterol flaking from your veins......WILL.....and this is definative kids, CAKK your ASS........

Sort that shit out!!!!

LOL,
Ron

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