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Question of curiosity.... - 6/6/2005 8:47:16 AM   
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In vanilly poly circles, I was suprised at how many people said their first leanings towards polyamory came after reading "Stranger in a Strange Land". I'm wondering how many here have read it, and were influenced by it.

I have to say...great book! I finally read it after hearing about it for a very long time :)


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RE: Question of curiosity.... - 6/6/2005 8:50:55 AM   
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OMG that was actually my very first exposure to poly at age 12 when I read it.

I vividly remember thinking "Wow, that's so cool that someone else has the same ideas I do, too bad it can't happen now, but maybe hundreds of years in the future.

Ahhh...so easy to think we are the only ones alone on our islands.

I was so thrilled to find out at 18 I COULD have that relationship, NOW.

PS- there's a LOT of poly/kink crossover in the science fiction/fantasy culture

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RE: Question of curiosity.... - 6/7/2005 3:54:32 PM   
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no. never seen the book., never heard the title til now.
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RE: Question of curiosity.... - 6/7/2005 11:50:20 PM   
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i grok you totally, man! Stranger in a Strange Land is one of the all-time classic SF novels, and i understand it was a huge cult buzz in the '60s. i read my Dad's copy the first time when i was really young, i suppose it must have had some effect on me, and i've reread it a couple of times since; i went through a major Robert Heinlein phase when i was a teenager... Glory Road! The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress! The Door Into Summer! Heinlein rocked! If anybody is due for a revival, its him...

But way way way beyond SIASL for me was the one novel that's had the biggest effect on my life in every imaginable way. Reading it for the first time was an incredible breakthrough for me, and realizing i was potentially polyamorous (though i didn't know that word yet) was only one small part of it. That book was Story of O. ("Oh no, here she goes again...")

Thumbnail plot summary, just in case there's still someone who hasn't read it: O loves a man named Rene, and loves him even more after he forcibly enslaves her and hands her over to others, the members and staff of his "club" at Roissy, to use and train. Rene then shares her for awhile with his quasi-half-brother Sir Stephen, and ultimately gives her to him completely to be his personal property. O falls even more deeply in love with Sir Stephen, who seems at first not to love her at all, only her obedience. Together the two men use her to seduce and procure another woman for Rene, as her replacement, so to speak. Sir Stephen uses O even more brutally, has her further trained and marked as his property, exhibits her as if she were a work of art and lends her to yet more men for their public use. Ultimately (in the sequel) she is returned to Roissy and abandoned there by Sir Stephen to serve as one of the house prostitutes. O is given the option to leave, but she decides in the end to stay.

This sketch makes an astonishingly beautiful and erotic and even mystical book sound pretty brutal, and parts of it are in fact brutal, but my gut reaction when i read it for the first time at fifteen was, Oh my God, i'm NOT the only one in the world who's felt these feelings! i felt an enormous shock of recognition, i suddenly knew not only that i wasn't alone, but that my nameless shameful secret identity had a name, even though it was a name consisting of but a single letter, and that i could live that life, i could be O if i had the chance, that my secret internal life could perhaps someday be my real life, that i was meant to live that life or something like it, that i couldn't really live any other life, not with all my heart and soul, that i would do anything to find that life if i could, no matter where it took me, and that anything less would be nothing less than a waste of my life.

Story of O didn't turn me into anything i wasn't already or wouldn't have become anyway, but it opened my heart like a key fits a lock, it launched me forcibly down the road to accepting and embracing who and what i really always had been and would have to be. That's a lot for one little book to do for a horny, unhappy, confused fifteen-year-old girl, and i will always be enormously grateful to Pauline Reage (not her real name) for sharing it with the world, and with me.

[Edited to stamp out typos!]

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RE: Question of curiosity.... - 6/9/2005 2:43:25 PM   
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It's funny. I read Stranger in a Strange Land in the 60s and don't remember it really influencing me. I liked the book, but of Heinlein's works I much prefer The Door into Summer (this is in retrospect -- Heinlein was an important author to me when I was younger). I had sexual fantasies involving three-somes before I was in the first grade (the 50s), so the predeliction was there. I also had fantasies involving caging.

It was really hard to make polyamorous relationships work in the 70s -- at least that was what my friends discovered. This was in spite of the fact there was a wide range of cultural support for such relationships (lyrics in music, novels, movies). We were in our twenties and even plain old monogamous relationships were hard to do.

And, thanks to ravenna -- I've never really thought of Rene's and Sir Stephen's relationship to O as poly but it is, isn't it? I'll have to rethink some of my old relationships now.

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RE: Question of curiosity.... - 6/9/2005 9:40:45 PM   
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Synchronicity. Just last night i also responded on another thread on this board, asking about polyamorous love songs. Cool question! First song that popped into my head was "Triad" by Jefferson Airplane, i'm a huge Sixties music fan even though i was born too late and missed out on the whole decade, and i quoted some of the lyrics from memory without recalling at all, until my master reminded me of it tonight, that the whole song was inspired by... Stranger in a Strange Land. (And for all i know rampant polyamory among David Crosby and Grace Slick and Paul Kantner and maybe the whole band, who knows?) The SIASL connection is right there in some of the lyrics i didn't remember, the line about "water brothers." So maybe that should be polysynchronicity?

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RE: Question of curiosity.... - 6/9/2005 10:09:42 PM   
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I've never heard of the book, so obviously I've never read it. I do remember from a very young age thinking how unfair it was that some cultures allowed men to have many wives, but women weren't allowed many husbands ... While I know where the practice springs from originally, it still always struck me as not being right. I don't remember thinking anything about monogamy, other than maybe subconciously ... you know, the "everyone does it so it must be right" kind of thing. I do know that I was never quite comfortable with the idea of only being with one person for the rest of my life, but never really thought about it ... even when my first boyfriend and I were incredibly open in our relationship (one interesting point though - that just now occurred to me *DOH! I'm slow* - the other people that we opened our relationship to were pretty much all males ... I can't think of more than one or two females that were ever involved, and that was rare ... hmmm...).

Ok, I'm totally off topic ... sorry for rambling.

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RE: Question of curiosity.... - 6/11/2005 6:14:59 AM   
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I read the novel when I was about eight years old, and I don't recall the poly aspects making any sort of impression on me at all, at that age.

Astonished to think of so many adults not having heard of the novel though ... I can understand someone not liking it, but consider it something of a "classic."


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RE: Question of curiosity.... - 6/20/2005 2:20:29 PM   
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I read the book , twice, I was poly wayyyyyyyyyy before I read that book

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