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Old Guard Myth or Not - 5/17/2004 12:50:38 AM

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Read an n interesting comment today after arriving her about old guard. What is it or does it in fact exist. Curious question and simple answer to it.

Many believe that it does not exist and is myth folklore or bullshit. And that’s their right to do so and have such opinions as they chose. Like most of this lifestyle today and what it has become being the hypocritical sexist lust driven dating service for those who think they are different or have a rebellious streak. Some though are genuine in this and live it as it is and for the reasons it is

The question was Old Guard and does it exist it does and the proof of it is easy to find if we look past or dicks and lust. Or in the case of females an excuse to, for many allows them self, to dress and act like sluts and say it was all part of the lifestyle.

Many could not for those reason exist in this lifestyle as it was designed. See it was not about sex. Oh shit did I say that it was about control and passing limits to better understand self and desires? Part of this was ritual. Part of this later became broadened to include other ritual and still today it goes on changing into some thing it was never intended to be.

Old Guard is the formal aspect of the lifestyle the ritual we all like and the order to this lifestyle. It is not a group it is a concept and a belief in an order and a method and reasoning in why and how.

Have any of you bothered to look at the beginnings of the lifestyle it was based on a master and slave one passive and one dominant. The positive and negative of it. It was based on the rules that governed that and the codes of conduct for it. Oh yes lets hear of the American slave trade. There were indentured slaves before that by a long time and slaves before that since the beginning of time they have existed and there is in that a common goal and desire and it is genetic. It is to rule or be ruled simple no more no less.

This set of rules from the beginning of time and the responsibility of each to the other in that life was what bound them together It was done with honor and understanding of ones position and place each treated with respect and dignity for their devotion and dedication to that genetic trait of either master or slave Long standing rights of each / and responsibilities of the other to that. .

All most very one seems to think BDSM D/s S/m is all about some kind of physical thing a visual stimulation or sexual gratification. No one seems to remember past that. Old Guard is that part that is forgot it is the ritual we use in all for this lifestyle. It is the methods and devices that allow it to occur. It is the things that stimulate these séances.

That in part is Old Guard. Old Guard it the traditions of this lifestyle in part but most have forgotten what this lifestyle is about. It is about altered consciousness and attaining a plane above the realm of here.

Old Guard is the teachings that allow that level to occur and the methodology that it encompasses. Old Guard s the methodology that allows this to occur ritual and tools

To many people her are going what he hell is he talking about and what it is the ability to induce in a slave a state of altered consciousness

That is what it was about and still is that is what Old Guard is about

They even got a new name for what this is about and what it is called and hay guess what it is a myth as well as to weather or not it is real ok. But hay it may be real.

Look I know I have confused a lot of you so ill make it simple here. The traditions devices and means of this lifestyle are what Old Guard is and it is a designed and for a specific thing for one purpose and that is to arrive for the participant’s weather broth of them or the slave and aultered state of conciousness. Simple as that

It is the teachings of that concept and origins for this life style and the means to attain it and what it is done for, as there is an order and reason for all things.

Ok so say you understand aloof that but what the hell is this altered state you speak of and prove that exist s and have I can except the rest sort of attitude oar there is the other. What the hell you fool talking about if it aunt about the sex or the control or the serving that what is it about.

As I said an altered state of consciousness simple t is a mind thing and that is what the Old Guard deals wit h. That swath the rituals are for like in Japans rope bondage. Hell most of you though it was a style of teeing another up when it is much more then that it creates a mental state for both involved. Same as say Yoga Does or Trance State does. This is just a different means of getting to the same place but has become something else

OK enough your boring me right what the hell is this trance state and if it exists what is it like or about and if so lets see you prove it. Well it is real ask any sub /slave /doom /switch that has experienced ire as any of them are able to. Not just the slave /sub. It is called Subspace and is very real.

That is the altered state and it is the ritual that creates it. It is not about anything other then arriving at that or both participants

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RE: Old Guard Myth or Not - 5/17/2004 12:55:53 AM

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quote:

Curious question and simple answer to it.

I'm still waiting for the simple answer.

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RE: Old Guard Myth or Not - 5/17/2004 1:19:49 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

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Curious question and simple answer to it.

I'm still waiting for the simple answer.

Old Guard is the devices and terms and tools to create in an other an aultered state some call this sub space it is not about any thing else other then creating that state and the ritual of achieving it in this manner .

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RE: Old Guard Myth or Not - 5/17/2004 1:23:00 AM

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So we Doms are actually the real slaves? Our only purpose is to serve our slaves and keep them in subspace. Now I get it.

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RE: Old Guard Myth or Not - 5/17/2004 1:27:23 AM

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THis state is and applies to all participants both master and slave

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RE: Old Guard Myth or Not - 5/17/2004 1:32:43 AM

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I would like to thank you for two things. First, I'm grateful that you have come here to set everyone straight that have been living this lifestyle all wrong. Second, you have added more proof to my theory about those that put Master in their nick.

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RE: Old Guard Myth or Not - 5/17/2004 3:12:44 AM

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Man you get around... this is the third post of your same message, in three different threads. Slow night at the White House Fred? (oops, I mean MASTERB4U!)

Thanks for the third time!

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RE: Old Guard Myth or Not - 5/17/2004 7:42:47 AM

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Sir,
This girl simply wanted to say WELL SAID!!!!!!

You are correct in saying that many do not understand. Sometimes for this girl the lack of respect,
the lack of honor, and the lack of pride that many display is simply amazing. The fact that many
talk badly of people who are using and learning from the OLD GUARD or seek guidance from someone
seen as OLD GUARD is very hard to swallow.

This girl is Old Guard trained. This girl lives and loves the structure and firmness of Old Guard.
Master is of Gorean ways, fortunate for us that many of the Gorean traditions/beliefs are in some sense
alot like Old Guard. Master and stormi continue to grow and learn more of Old Guard and adapt
to how O/our protocol follows those who walked the Master/slave relationship before us.

Guess the biggest thing is that people would like to read from a book and have it say "THIS is how you do
this. Point A to point b equals point C. Therefore they do not understand that it's taking protocol from
the days before now and looking at the protocol of other respected Masters and adapting them to their own
lifestyle.

There are things that this girl does for her Master, some of them He requires, orthers......stormi just did and He
likes it so that's the way it's done now. In growing Master keeps adding other things, sometimes they are things
that stormi suggested herself, as a result stormi is thriving on this and the relationship is growing.

<blushing> Sorry for rambling.... but wanted to say THANK YOU for the post you put. Just goes to show that
there are those who DO get the pic. Even tho unfortunately the number for those that do not......far out weight
those who do get it. They are easy to spot tho..... as those who do get it.......to the best of stormi's knowledge
try to live by HONOR, PRIDE, & RESPECT.

Thank You again,
stormi
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RE: Old Guard Myth or Not - 5/17/2004 8:11:14 AM

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First off B4U
if U took the
time 2 read
a bit deeper
at collarme
U would of
found much
on Old Guard.
I disagree
with sum of
Ur words
All things
change and 4
those whom
keep up with
those changes
would know
that this is the
reason that there
is a seperate
section to BDSM
called D/s as
apposed to M/s
as the D/s name
was born when
online was born
and are the Top/sub
bedroom type temp.
people whom are
into the kink in the
bedroom thing and
choose to only serve
sumtimsie while
the M/s are more
proned to the 24/7
Master-Mistress/slave
thought of Old Guard
ways. It is true that
with the interduction
of the internet now
more then ever
people can with out
showing who they
are live their fantasies
which have always
included Our Lifestyle
but for many was
never a reality because
of who they were or
how they lived in
Society and could not
let out of the bag that
they have on frillie panties
and nylons under that CEO
business suit or that at Home
waiting for Jim is James and
not Jane.JMO
Old Guard is
about rituals
and the ways
that people
use them and
pass them on
but it is also
about Societies
and Membership
into these elite
Groups that are
not like Ur local
munchies group
of today in the USA
but Groups that
are long standing
befor the USA was
a Country in places
like the Uk and Japan
and long kept secret
for their members
protection from society
because frankly
what We do and
beleive in does not
agree with the public
on whole and never
will.

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RE: Old Guard Myth or Not - 5/17/2004 7:06:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: MASTERB4U

Or in the case of females an excuse to, for many allows them self, to dress and act like sluts and say it was all part of the lifestyle.

Wow, sir, that is the whole reason I have choosen to explore this lifestyle. I am so glad you summed it up that way. Sure makes me feel like continuing to learn more.

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RE: Old Guard Myth or Not - 5/18/2004 12:38:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: MASTERB4U
Old Guard is the teachings that allow that level to occur and the methodology that it encompasses. Old Guard s the methodology that allows this to occur ritual and tools

To many people her are going what he hell is he talking about and what it is the ability to induce in a slave a state of altered consciousness

That is what it was about and still is that is what Old Guard is about

Look I know I have confused a lot of you so ill make it simple here. The traditions devices and means of this lifestyle are what Old Guard is and it is a designed and for a specific thing for one purpose and that is to arrive for the participant’s weather broth of them or the slave and aultered state of conciousness. Simple as that

It is the teachings of that concept and origins for this life style and the means to attain it and what it is done for, as there is an order and reason for all things.

As I said an altered state of consciousness simple t is a mind thing and that is what the Old Guard deals wit h. That swath the rituals are for like in Japans rope bondage. Hell most of you though it was a style of teeing another up when it is much more then that it creates a mental state for both involved. Same as say Yoga Does or Trance State does. This is just a different means of getting to the same place but has become something else

OK enough your boring me right what the hell is this trance state and if it exists what is it like or about and if so lets see you prove it. Well it is real ask any sub /slave /doom /switch that has experienced ire as any of them are able to. Not just the slave /sub. It is called Subspace and is very real.

That is the altered state and it is the ritual that creates it. It is not about anything other then arriving at that or both participants

It appears that your entire impetus and scope of Old Guard involves S/m with a Master and his female slave, and the altered states of conciousness these two achieve together. Subspace exists for subs and slaves alike across most all BDSM roles/role plays, other than simply a masochistic female slave being delivered to nirvana by her sadistic Master. Subspace can be achieved in many venues, and of course pain is a common venue... while it may be purely sexual in other venues, or even mental. Anything in the various types of M/s, D/s, S/m relationships (between male/female Dominants, and their male/female submissives) that triggers an altered state of conciousness, whether it be endorphin induced (pain), intense satisfaction/acceptance of their service (contentment), or various other methodologies (internally or externally induced), can achieve an altered state of conciousness. Simply being in love (lifestyle or vanilla) can be considered an altered state of conciousness.

My biggest difficulty with your redundant posting to spread your Old Guard agenda across the board, is that it is simply your concept, not based on fact or references, simply your bold words. Add to that your entire concept revolves wholly around an S/m pairing of a sadistic male Dominant and a masochistic female slave... and absolutely nobody else in the lifestyle.

Perhaps you would enjoy some reference material to help confuse your redundantly posted/stated Old Guard concept and philosophy:

Iron Rose Library - A collection of lifestyle articles.

Old Guard? If You say so - by Joseph W. Bean - His view of the 60s version of OG in gay leather.

What does a submissive feel in subspace? - by Catalina - Article describing what subspace feels like, as per a submissive.

The Responsibilities and Duties of a Dom - by Les Is More - Article regarding R & D of a Dom.

The Old Days - by Jay Wiseman - One of about six articles on Albany Power Exchange website.

And for purely "nostalgia purposes", a few non-BDSM Old Guard links:

The 3rd US Infantry Regiment - The Old Guard - Home page historical perspective of "The Old Guard".

Military Art - The Old Guard Homepage - Various Art related to Military Old Guard.

Napoleon Bonaparte - Goodbye to the Old Guard - Even Napolean had an Old Guard, and said goodbye.

These are but a drop in the bucket of the plethora of websites offering information about Old Guard, and none of the predominantly "leather philosophies" of Old Guard origin I saw, or the various assorted other philosophies of Old Guard origin seemed to include simply your S/m philosophy redundantly posted across the board.

Simply searching Google for Old Guard will return thousands of other links and philosophies regarding Old Guard... and many of those refer to subs/slaves being trained as Dominants (inferring an Old Guard prerequisite of being a Switch).

As I stated in another one of your many threads, Old Guard seems to be like Kool-Aid... everyone making their own color and flavor as they want, and to sweeten it to the level of sweetspace they want. I saw nothing regarding any of your stated "altered state of conciousness" philosophy in the plethora of online articles/documentation, or anywhere else... except for here, during the last couple of days.

The definition of Old Guard is essentially like the definition of beauty... it seems to be relative, and lies in the eye of the beholder... or their peer group.

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