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If I were on Death Row - 12/13/2005 8:25:26 PM   
FangsNfeet


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Status: offline 		If I were on Death Row I would turn a new leaf. I would be dedicated to religion, extra polite to all, and start being concerned about society. I would preach, show respect, and write about my experiences for children and youth to read so they may make better choices in life.

While buying time with appeal after appeal after appeal, I would continue to be the new me. The more time that passes, the more people will forget about my past. I would continue to forgive the judge and jury who sentenced me, earn favortisim, and cause people to think if a careing soul like me should really die.

If I were on Death Row, I would do anything and everything to change the peoples oppinion about me. Strong religion, higher education, and aiding to charity/morality would by the main platform I'd use to change my sentence. If I were on Death Row, I would do all I could to have clemency or atleast continue to stay at the end of the line.

Rather than pleding innocent or guilty, I'd only let everyone know that I'm now a new man who only wants to give back to the community that I once stole from and continue to give aide as a life pentence to a tone for my sins.


So out of curiosity, what would you do to try and change everyones oppinion about you so you may avoid or recieve clemency from the Death Penalty?



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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/13/2005 8:29:05 PM   
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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/13/2005 10:31:37 PM   
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So out of curiosity, what would you do to try and change everyones oppinion about you
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dont know.
i'm 52,.,, and i have been told all my life what a worthless piece of shit i am, a lowlife no good sonofabitch and i aint gonna amount to nothing..........

so i have no friggen idea WHAT to do..........coz it aint changed since since i was 10 yrs old.......

what's YOUR big solution????????


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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/13/2005 11:26:37 PM   
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If I ended up there due to some assinine prosecution speak out to every news organization in the country.

If I murdered someone and ended up there for a proper reason? Sit down shut up wave my apeals and not waste millions of tax payer dollars and years of my condemed anyway life and jsut request a ten cent bullet in the back of my head to get it over with.

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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/13/2005 11:34:14 PM   
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Rather than pleding innocent or guilty, I'd only let everyone know that I'm now a new man who only wants to give back to the community that I once stole from and continue to give aide as a life pentence to a tone for my sins.


Well, let's not pretend you are talking about anyone other than Stan "Tookie" Williams.

The interesting thing to me is that he claimed innocence right until the end - not of his previous gang related activities - but just of the 4 murders of which he was convicted. It's very well known that you must "confess" to the crime to gain anything from the system - for lesser offenses you are unlikely to receive even as little as parole unless you appear to be contrite. Anything less than that and the system will let you stew in prison, and I expect that anyone that knows the justice system at all in this country will back up my assertions on this issue. Williams must have known that the missing ingredient was for him to admit to the crime - in fact, it's the very reason the Governor used to refuse him clemency. But Williams did not admit to the crimes of which he was convicted. In my view he knowingly did the one thing that would almost guarantee his execution - which I predicted would be carried out last week knowing he was adamant on this innocence issue. For me there was no suspense in this whole matter - anyone that knows the system should have predicted the same thing.

I don't claim to know a damned thing about that guy but what I have read about in the last few weeks from various media sources. I don't claim he was in fact innocent - I just think it's interesting that he did the one thing that guaranteed his execution. In my view, it actually suggests he may really have been innocent of those 4 murders. Why? Because he refused to admit to it even knowing it might well save his life, and turn execution into life in prison.

See here:
http://www.innocenceproject.org/

Yep, that's 164 exonerated of their supposed crimes. The system is designed to prevent such erroneous convictions from occurring - but they occur with shocking regularity. So basically we know for a fact we are jailing and executing innocent people and those that are exonerated by The Innocence Project are just the tip of the iceberg.

YMMV, but I don't sit around trying to dream up scenarios by which convicted murderers can con the system into believing in their innocence - which is exactly the point of the original post. I am more concerned with the very real fact that we know we are convicting, jailing, and even executing innocent people. That should make your blood run cold.

But I guess if you're from Texas innocence is not the point. Kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out, right?

I'm not waiting for the apocalypse to remake paradise on earth. Doomsday religions hold no truth for me. I am just going to try to do my bit to make this world a better place right now. I am going to start by not assuming anything about shit I clearly know nothing about.

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It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain


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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/13/2005 11:34:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am assuming that if I am there... I deserve to be.

I forgo my appeals to save taxpayer money and accept my fate.

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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 4:33:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I knew I was innocent, I'd call Barry Scheck and go down fighting for every last breath. I'd never give up hope. I despise death row and the death penalty, and hope it is abolished one day soon


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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 4:44:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		If innocent I would try anything within my power to convince the state or fed that I didn't do it. I wouldn't bother with the come to jesus thing. I would want my kids to know I was not the horrible person I was made out to be.

then when the time came, best ribeye available, asparagus, mashed potatoes floating in butter.

I would amass any decency and dignity I could and make the walk.

At the final moment I would try to kill as many of the motherfuckers that I could.
Then I would join my gods in Valhalla.

Jus' me.

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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 4:55:14 AM   
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then when the time came, best ribeye available, asparagus, mashed potatoes floating in butter.


Yup... almost forgot about the food. I'd have them get me a nice size Abalone steak, freshly pried off the rocks at Jenner by the Sea and then follow your lead with linguini, asparagus, and then a bowl of spumoni with whip cream on top.

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At the final moment I would try to kill as many of the motherfuckers that I could.
Then I would join my gods in Valhalla.


Yeah... that too.



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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 6:08:50 AM   
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am more concerned with the very real fact that we know we are convicting, jailing, and even executing innocent people. That should make your blood run cold.


So who are they? Unfortunatly, evidence has been used to convict people who may have just been at the wrong place at the wrong time. But how do you prove against the facts as jurys put all the thought, discussion, and shown evidence together to have a conclusion.

On the flip side, have you thought about how many of the guilty get off scott free except for having to pay off there Lawyers debts?

As for Tookie pleading innocent to never commiting murder, I find it hard to belive that a person who started a Nationaly Emphamis gang that's known for murder, theft, and rape would never do any of these acts themselves. Some people just don't know when to quite. Pleading innocence during trial runs the risk of getting the death penalty. Pleading gulity means a life in prison where there's a good chance that you can be taken care of by your Gang Budies or be killed by criminals of other gangs. During the trial phase, you may plead innocent so many times that you find yourself beliving it yourself. After sentence is passed, changing your plea won't change the sentence. Continueing to say that you're innocent is your best way to fight the courts decission and hopefully achieve clemency.



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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 6:25:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet
I would be dedicated to religion

Any particular religion? Or just a random choice?


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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 6:28:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		We werent there, we dont know, anything we say is just coming from our imaginations if we think we know something of what did or did not happen. Mute point for me.

How can we know someone did something if we werent there?

How can we ever know another persons motivation for doing something?

blah blah, i feel sick he was executed, i dont know why. i dont know anything.

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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 6:32:44 AM   
sunshine333


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Status: offline 		more importantly ... knowing that we're all, in a sense, already on death row ...

what are we willing to do now, in this very life, in this very moment ... to make a difference and make our lives worth remembering?

humbly,
sunshine

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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 6:39:28 AM   
MsIncognito


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Status: offline 		How about not being there in the first place? As for people on death row who try to sway public opinion it wouldn't likely affect my opinion much They're there for a reason and no amount of do-gooding is going to change what they did.

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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 6:54:08 AM   
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So out of curiosity, what would you do to try and change everyones oppinion about you so you may avoid or recieve clemency from the Death Penalty?


If i was guilty..dont know.

If i was innocent....dont know.

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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 7:37:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		This entire controversy did not touch me in any way. I didn't feel bad for him, I didn't feel good for his new-found niceness. I call "foul" on him. I recall years ago when a woman did the same thing. She found religion and goodness. It's sad that people need to have (find) religion in order to be good people. Just my opinion.





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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 10:34:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet
On the flip side, have you thought about how many of the guilty get off scott free except for having to pay off there Lawyers debts?


Brilliant! You find something the justice system is designed to allow - on purpose - and note it as a flaw.

"Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer," - William Blackstone.

This is often cited as the "Blackstone ratio" BTW. William Blackstone is the grandfather of English Common Law. You would do well to read his "Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England" http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/blackstone/blacksto.htm Most of our fundamental legal concepts in the U.S. derive from the English Common Law.

You are so eager to punish, so eager for bloodsport, that you have lost all civility. Some guilty people are supposed to go free - that's why our system is so demanding of evidence and witnesses and so on. In fact, it's fairly clear that our system is no longer quite demanding enough - that's what The Innocence Project is proving out. Innocent people are inadvertently being punished for crimes they did not commit. You would consider that a dangerous series of precedents if you had been one of them. The justice system is not designed to find the most likely suspects and to then punish them, it is designed to exclusively punish the the truly guilty - anything else is a radical departure from anything like actual justice as we conceive it.

So yes, I have thought about how many guilty people go free. I consider it a right and good thing - and so should you.





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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 11:10:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you read Schwarzenegger’s speech you know there was much evidence supporting the fact he committed the crimes. It wasn't merely because he never said he was sorry for killing those people.
There were multiple reasons why.
If I were on death row I'm with Quiet Kitten there was way too much evidence against me and I deserve to be there.
Why appeal? So I can spend the rest of my life in a jail cell segregated from society? What sort of life is that?

So, I guess I would take some noose classes if I could. Or find a book on knot tying in the prison library and do what needs to be done. Death is better than having all of your rights taken from you.


Two week's and we will have the next lethal injection here in California. High time for us taxpayers to stop paying for these people.


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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 11:37:29 AM   
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http://www.governor.ca.gov/govsite/pdf/press_release_2005/Williams_Clemency_Statement.pdf

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RE: If I were on Death Row - 12/14/2005 12:30:04 PM   
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Any particular religion? Or just a random choice?


Most likely Christianity Demonination Baptist. After all, that's the majority at present and may build stronger support on my case of the NEW ME.

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