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A Master is Wrong - 7/31/2005 5:48:23 PM   
MstrHellsFury


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Status: offline 		as we are only human and subject to human frailities...I'm sitting here with the biggest smile possible for these lips...I won't go into the details but I did something I thought was the correct thing to do...both my slaves noticed that in doing this I would suffer very greatly...without my knowledge they in turn decided to correct this mistake..I wasn't able to be contacted before hand so I had no knowledge until I returned home...as I walked through the door it was the first thing that greeted me...normally I don't accept contridiction to anything I say or do so it was rather a shock to me...can you imagine my mind set when it was brought to my attention that as part of their duties..they were to love and protect me from harm...I guess I didn't factor this into my teaching...that is the viewpoint of what's considered protection....what I'd like to know...has anyone experienced something similar to this...has aother Masters/Doms had their slave/sub take it upon themself to contridict something to your benifit...ladies/gentlemen...same question to you...have you done this for your M/D..and what was the resulting action taken for you using the common sense we sometimes overlook through our daily lives...

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 7/31/2005 5:52:17 PM   
EmeraldSlave2


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Status: offline 		LOL you went a long way to describe something without mentioning any specifics, I find that amusing.

I'd think you'd be hard pressed to find a dominant who hadn't at one point gave an order that needed to be rescinded or changed, whether the dominant realized that before or after the fact or whether the sub changed it or not.

Usually with me what happens is that the Owner will say "OK let's do X" And then I say "Wait, what about Y and Z?" Then he will say "Good point, let's do Z instead"

The idea of me doing something directly contradictory to a direct order would be pretty drastic.

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 7/31/2005 6:43:27 PM   
MstrHellsFury


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Status: offline 		I must live a blessed life because in all these years..my word has always been final...questioned maybe ..but never circumvented...not once until now has something I've done been changed without my prior knowledge and express consent...being a first..I wanted some feedback...and I still continue to learn each day from greatest of my treasures...

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/1/2005 6:26:40 AM   
MstrssPassion


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Status: offline 		the tactful & intelligent sub will be able to find a way to indirectly change instructions/orders & do so without the dominant ever knowing, especially when it is in the best interest

Makes each of us dominants wonder just how many times we may have had this happen

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/1/2005 5:17:38 PM   
ScooterTrash


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Status: offline 		Well, if we were infallable, I suppose that would not be a good thing to have some changes made. But since I have actually, maybe, well perhaps, made a slight error before (chuckles), I'm not against someone mentioning that maybe there is a better way. I guess that's why I get doormats at the store and look for subs elsewhere..lol.

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/5/2005 3:06:41 PM   
1CHRONDOM


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Status: offline 		I whole heartitly believe that you are NEVER too Dom to learn. Nor should you be Too Dom to admit a misjudgement. I would agree with you saying your sub/slaves are treasures. Who wants to Dom a doormat? I look for intelligents when it comes to the subs/slaves that I want to serve me. Just my thoughts.

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/5/2005 3:48:49 PM   
EmeraldSlave2


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ORIGINAL: 1CHRONDOM
Who wants to Dom a doormat?

Plenty, the Owner fully expects me to roll over and be a doormat for him at his command.

quote:

I look for intelligents when it comes to the subs/slaves that I want to serve me. Just my thoughts.

Intelligence.

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/5/2005 4:29:13 PM   
1CHRONDOM


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Status: offline 		See, Master is wrong. lol Thanks Emeraldslave

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/6/2005 5:32:34 PM   
KnightofMists


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Status: offline 		I wish to express one specific aspect that I find very important.... something that your slaves understood very well and to your credit. They understood the priority of your will. A slave that can understand and appreciate the order of importance that a Master places things, the better the slave can handle these issues when the Master is not available. It is to your credit that they have come to understand you and what you desire in many aspects of your life, in particularly the priorities that govern their individual choices they must make to serve you and please you. I can't say that I have been in a similiar situation, but I have been often asked for clairification on my will and been asked if their opinion could be heard on a variety of issues. I am fortunate to be wise enough to listen... for they have kept me from making more than a few mistakes. My hope is that I have given my girls enough of an understanding of myself and my will; that if the moment should come that they must protect an issue of greater importance in the face of disobeying a direction of a lower importance when faced with the inability to discuss the issue with me, that they will act as your slaves have done.

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ORIGINAL: MstrHellsFury

as we are only human and subject to human frailities...I'm sitting here with the biggest smile possible for these lips...I won't go into the details but I did something I thought was the correct thing to do...both my slaves noticed that in doing this I would suffer very greatly...without my knowledge they in turn decided to correct this mistake..I wasn't able to be contacted before hand so I had no knowledge until I returned home...as I walked through the door it was the first thing that greeted me...normally I don't accept contridiction to anything I say or do so it was rather a shock to me...can you imagine my mind set when it was brought to my attention that as part of their duties..they were to love and protect me from harm...I guess I didn't factor this into my teaching...that is the viewpoint of what's considered protection....what I'd like to know...has anyone experienced something similar to this...has aother Masters/Doms had their slave/sub take it upon themself to contridict something to your benifit...ladies/gentlemen...same question to you...have you done this for your M/D..and what was the resulting action taken for you using the common sense we sometimes overlook through our daily lives...

Fury


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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/6/2005 6:14:54 PM   
MstrHellsFury


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Status: offline 		welcome to the boards and that very insightful comment...although I came to the same conclusion...it's nice to know others think better of their submissives/slaves than just empty headed doormats...it goes along with what I always say...a mind should be guided not brainwashed...


Fury

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/9/2005 5:12:50 AM   
ShiftedJewel


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Plenty, the Owner fully expects me to roll over and be a doormat for him at his command.


But isn't that the point? Only at his command... the rest of the time he expects you to be able and willing to make decisions without him having to micromanage you.. true?

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/11/2005 7:32:21 PM   
ShadowMster


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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

the tactful & intelligent sub will be able to find a way to indirectly change instructions/orders & do so without the dominant ever knowing, especially when it is in the best interest



I can see making necessary corrections to instructions, but doing so in a way that the Dom is never made aware of your correction to his/her instructions is not right either. If a sub has discovered a problem, they should bring it to the Dom's attention, not take it on themself to override the dom's instructions for what they the sub think is right.

The sub may have been asked to do something the sub thinks is wrong, given the information the sub has, even thou the larger picture that the Dom has is intact and valid.

Overall, the sub should do his or her best to communicate (god gave you a mouth for more then a ball gag), and when communication is not possible, then, and only then, as a last resort, make the necessary corrections to Master's instructions.



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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/11/2005 9:16:48 PM   
DomButNotForgotn


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Status: offline 		It was heartening to read your OP. I can tell you have done a great deal of work with them, they kept your best interests at heart, and saved you from a cerrtain difficulty.

I have had subs that were very pragmatic and supportive, helping me in substantial ways, and I have alwasy been grateful for that kind of caring. Thanks, again.

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/25/2005 5:37:59 PM   
MistressGrace07


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Status: offline 		A Master is wrong? *faints*

The sky has now fallen....

one thing in My relationship(s) is that My subs know that I, too, can be wrong... but they deal with My errors differently than I deal with theirs. They are to respectfully ask if W/we can discuss the matter.. and then I listen.. and if it's found that I was indeed wrong - I apologize, rectify the situation if possible, and W/we move on.

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/25/2005 6:04:29 PM   
MsPurrmeow


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Status: offline 		I'm a mere mortal, and I make mistakes. But, even more than that, I know that I do not know everything about this world. A slave, for me, is about having an advisor as well as service. Their knowledge, experience and opinions NEED to be expressed to me. It is only good service to point out other options that I had not seen before. By opening my eyes to new options, they serve me and teach me. The final choice is still mine, of course, but there are plenty of respectful ways to inform me and provide me with better choices.

I hear a lot of Borg quotes in these parts because of my insistence on the slave or submissive being an intelligent contribution. They are a part of me in order to perfect US as a collective. If a choice of mine is not the most efficient way to serve the collective (family, relationship, etc.) as a whole, they have a responsibility to provide me with better options. It's a standing order that they have to accept. I respect them very much when they do.

Congratulations on your eye-opening moment, Fury. Do you feel all the more loved for it?

Purr

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RE: A Master is Wrong - 8/29/2005 2:59:06 PM   
zaynab


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Status: offline 		If I am in a situation that I will have to break a rule for the better good of my Master, our household or our family... I would break that rule. But I would try to alter it to some degree first, so I am not technically breaking it. Hopefully, that goes over well.

If I am questioned about breaking the rule, I simply explain why I did it, and why it was for the better.... if my Master is pleased with that.... yea. If he is not... I'd feel disappointed about it, but would not regret what I did.

If he's really mad and I was punished anyway.... oh well. I'm a big girl, I'm sure I could handle it, but I would still know that I had made the better choice, regardless. ~ zay

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